"Race" in College Admission FAQ & Discussion 10

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<p>Yes, but there are schools that are close to 80% such as Rose Hulman</p>

<p>Baylor actually isn’t a good example because it did not “end up” a Christian university due to lack of “soft targets.” It was created intentionally as a Christian university, and unlike some schools (e.g. Duke, Emory), it has maintained a strong connection to its founding religious affiliation. I note that you did not give an example of a “gender exclusive” or “race exclusive” school that “ended up” that way because there were no “soft targets.”</p>

<p>I also note that you didn’t answer my question from before. What’s a “white school”? Please give me an example of a “white school” in 2012.</p>

<p>PS: You do realize that I’m not in high school, yes?</p>

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<li>That’s not 90%, but more importantly,</li>
<li>you deliberately changed the basis of “social environment.” Earlier, you were talking about racial classification. Now, you’re talking about gender.</li>
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<p>Like I said before kidnapping and murder do not disappear by decriminalizing kidnapping and murder. A state does not become a murderer or kidnapper by executing or jailing a murderer or kidnapper. What we need is a society in which people do not kidnap and murder. What we do not need is a society in which the law does not recognize victims of murder and kidnappings by decriminalizing these activities. What you need is greater empathy for the victims of racism. You seem to talk about race as if it needs to disappear because it is an annoyance to you rather than because you want conditions to improve for its worst victims. The concept of race exists today as a way to identify impact of racism and find opportunities to reduce its negative impact on those who suffered from it.</p>

<p>University of Maine: (Black + Asian + Hispanic) < 5%</p>

<p>University of New Hampshire: White >95%</p>

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<p>I am talking about preferences in admissions. So, are you saying you are okay with gender and legacy preferences, sexuality, geographic and economic preferences but opposed African American preferences?</p>

<p>University of South Dakota: (Black + Asian + AmIndian + Hispanic) < 8%
(Black + Asian + Hispanic) = 5.25%</p>

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<p>Most of them in America were created by Christian, white, men,(to greater or less degree) and none for blacks. Furthermore, receiving federal funding and having open enrollment for non Christians does not change them. Creating soft targets and a certain social environment changes them.</p>

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<p>You and Philovitist both assert that blacks today are still suffering from the legacies of slavery and Jim Crow. I have pointed out that on several outcomes, blacks fare worse today than they did 100 years ago, even though we have moved further and further away from both slavery and Jim Crow. Why, then, did these outcomes worsen for blacks even though there are no longer any living slaves and an entire generation (1982–) exists that has never experienced Jim Crow?</p>

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<p>I am against the use of racial classification in admissions. It’s quite disingenuous of you to spin my position as “opposed to African American [sic] preferences.” If you want to talk about racial preferences in admissions, then do so. Don’t talk about gender when you actually want to justify racial preferences.</p>

<p>Also, you have not answered my question. What’s a “white school”? Please give me an example of a “white school” in 2012.</p>

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<p><a href=“https://bigfuture.collegeboard.org/college-university-search/university-of-maine[/url]”>https://bigfuture.collegeboard.org/college-university-search/university-of-maine&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Nice spin. When you frame it that way, one could easily conclude that UMaine is > 95% white. In fact, it is 83% white.</p>

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<p><a href=“https://bigfuture.collegeboard.org/college-university-search/university-of-new-hampshire[/url]”>https://bigfuture.collegeboard.org/college-university-search/university-of-new-hampshire&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Now this is just wrong. At least with Maine, your percentage was still “true.” UNH is 86% white. (The University of South Dakota is 88% white, not > 92% white as you suggested.)</p>

<p>Think hard about whether you really want to defend perazziman’s continued use of the term “white school” in 2012 if these are the best examples you can come up with.</p>

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<p>What is a “soft target”? What is “a certain social environment”? Let’s have some clear definitions on what you mean by these terms.</p>

<p>Also, you still have not answered my question. What’s a “white school”? Please give me an example of a “white school” in 2012.</p>

<p>If 83% of students checked white and 10% are unknown, what logical train of thought would lead you to lump all that 10% in the non-white category? Do only minorities forget or choose not to identify?</p>

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<p>He is a master of ignoring the theme or central point in a post and latching onto something trivial or side issue and then changing the direction of a conversation.</p>

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<p>Do you know that all of the “race unknown” students are white? No? Then you shouldn’t inflate the white percentage beyond what is reported. Again, if the best you can do is spin some percentages for three schools, you should think hard about whether you want to defend perazziman’s repeated use of the term “white school.”</p>

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<p>What’s a “white school”? Please give me an example of a “white school” in 2012.</p>

<p>U New Hampshire Data Source: race on pg 33, sorry for my error. White 95.3%, not 95%. Data is similar going back several years through these surveys. </p>

<p><a href=“http://unh.edu/institutional-research/sites/unh.edu.institutional-research/files/CIRP%20Fresh%20Survey,%20Fall%202011,%20Institutional%20Pofile%20w%20Comparison%20Groups.pdf[/url]”>http://unh.edu/institutional-research/sites/unh.edu.institutional-research/files/CIRP%20Fresh%20Survey,%20Fall%202011,%20Institutional%20Pofile%20w%20Comparison%20Groups.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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Maybe because eliminating slavery and Jim Crow doesn’t eliminate the very nature of racism? Perhaps because when we eliminated them, there was no real effort to mitigate the impact of slavery. You are selective in which outcomes you look at, so you want to declare racism dead. Do you understand there were still many people who chose not to vote in the recent election because they didn’t want to vote for Mitt Romney, but were unwilling to vote for a black man? </p>

<p>Racism is still alive in this country, and it is not something a black student can simply avoid. While we no longer have segregated schools, by law, we still have de-facto segregation. When too many URM families move into an area, the white families leave. </p>

<p>As for self-segregation, the point of increasing black enrollment isn’t about allowing those blacks to self-segregate, but to deal with the reality that a large percentage of white do in fact self-segregate. Should the few top black students be forced to sit on their own every day? Should they give up all of their cultural identity, because nobody else on campus shares their culture?</p>

<p>Again, you ask what is a “white school?” How about any school where the percentage of students is so high that you don’t see many non-white students? Several examples have been given, but you won’t accept them as white. Perhaps that’s indicative of old rules in this country that were used to declare someone black? How many drops of “black” blood makes a person black? How many black students keeps a school from being “white?” Would you prefer the term “predominantly white?”</p>

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<p>I am showing you that there are many different kinds of preferences in the admissions process. I am asking you to explain why you think these preferences (legacy, sexuality, gender, economic etc) are okay but those given to African Americans are not? Why would you expect anyone to agree with you?</p>

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<p>Thank you for the source. I was wrong to say that you were wrong.</p>