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<p>What is “the white culture”? Is there only one to which all whites in the United States belong?</p>
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<p>Most of the top universities have Presidents who think that because whites refuse to interact with blacks, their institutions must have racial preferences to enable self-segregation? Hmm. I disagree.</p>
<p>I think it’s more that heads of universities target specific interest groups rather than just a giant student body from across the nation. For instance, if a school’s trying to expand its athletic department the president would naturally want to invest more funds in athletic recruitment. I think the same thing can apply to separate races, but the amount of investment is a lot murkier in that regard. If someone were to call the want of student diversity as “the want of self-segregation,” that could technically be accurate, but self-segregation of a few people (not the majority, by any means) is a byproduct of a much larger goal.</p>
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<p>It depends on how strictly one wants to define the “White culture” in America, but it refers to the culture of a people who in addition to identifying with American life, also identify with a European ancestry, European phenotype, European language, European religious identity and European history, cuisine and music etc. </p>
<p>Certainly, there is overlap with people on the border of Europe, so they too might be considered members of the White culture to some extent. However, in general, as one moves away from Europe, people tend to be considered less and less “White” by European Whites. Consequently, people who descend from cultures in North Africa, Middle East and Asia minor are considered less White. Sub Saharan Africa, far east Asia, native Australian and the Native American are definately not considered White. Therefore, people who belong to the European White culture will be reluctant to socialize and marry people who belong to these cultures.</p>
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<p>Thanks for confirming that you are unfamiliar with U.S. history. As I have been repeatedly telling you over the last five pages, the notion of who is “white” in America has changed over time. In the 1850s, white Protestants with ancestry from the British mainland opposed immigration from (primarily Catholic) Germany and Ireland, even though Germans and Irish are white Europeans.</p>
<p>Between 1921 and 1965, immigration was restricted based on ethnic percentages as of the 1920 Census. In practice, that meant fewer Eastern and Southern European immigrants and more Western and Northern European immigrants. How come no exception was granted to Eastern and Southern Europeans? They’re white too, aren’t they? You can’t explain that, but I can. Eastern and Southern Europeans were not thought of as white in the 1920s.</p>
<p>Your definition of “the white culture [sic],” which only took you ten or so pages to define, does not apply to most white Americans. While many have at least a vague idea of where their ancestors came from, few truly IDENTIFY with their ancestry. It doesn’t mean much to them beyond something to say as an icebreaker, if even that. </p>
<p>As for language, please. Even in an ethnic enclave like Miami, it is all too easy for second- or third-generation Americans to lose the ability to speak the native language of their parents or their grandparents. I hope you don’t honestly believe that many German Americans are fluent in German or that many Polish Americans can speak any Polish at all.</p>
<p>Europeans don’t care about religion these days as much as Americans do. So really, if a white American were to identify with a “European religious identity,” that would most likely mean he’s an atheist or at least a Christian who rarely attends church.</p>
<p>Cuisine? Seriously? Our versions of European dishes are all bastardized. There’s nothing wrong with that, but again, I hope you don’t actually believe that Americans with ancestry from the British Isles enjoy scones, marmalade, and tea.</p>
<p>Your definition tells me that not only do you not know U.S. history, you don’t know many whites either.</p>
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<p>Like I said, it depends on how strictly one wants to define White culture … Some liberal definitions also include North Africans, Middle Easterners, Near Easterners and Western Asia among Whites. However, other Whites will consider them and their religions such as Judaism and Islam as non White. Some very conservative defintions of White exclude Slavs. However, for most Americans, White is synonomous with European and the phenotype. </p>
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<p>Ancestry is confirmed by “phenotype”- deep European ancestry going back thousands of years to that part of the word. (Not to the Far East Asia, Sub Saharan Africa, Aboriginal Australia, Native America etc). </p>
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<p>No, but I do believe they will be fluent in a European language (English), written in a European alphabet (Roman/ Latin). I can assure you they will not be speaking Swahili or Cantonese.</p>
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<p>Paganism and atheism have pre Christian origins in Europe. However, confusionism, Taoism, Shintoism, sub saharan, Aboriginal Australian or Native American religions are not European. Even Judaism and Islam are not considered White religions by most Whites. </p>
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<p>In any case, Blacks do not have the phenotype to be accepted into White culture. In addition, Whites had separated themselves from Blacks in such a way that a distinct Black culture has evolved with its own traditions and customs. It would not be fair to require a 17 year old Black to forget those traditions when attending college. Certainly, she should have the opportunity to integrate with Whites, but it would not be fair to demand it. The American male may not be interested in socializing with her. It is not her job to find out why.</p>
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<p>As seems to be the case, I must ask you the same question at least five times before you answer. True or false: the Know Nothings opposed immigration from Western European countries that were predominantly Catholic. True or false: the epithets for people of German, Irish, Italian, and Polish ancestry were created by other whites. True or false: Between 1921 and 1965, quota exceptions for immigrants Southern and Eastern Europe were not granted.</p>
<p>Please respond with your answers. We’ll discuss the interpretation afterward.</p>
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<p>OK. Your point is, what, exactly? Are you disputing my assertion that few white Americans IDENTIFY with their ancestry? How many Irish Americans know how Diarmuid ua Duibhne died? You think most of them do?</p>
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<p>Oh, so you think any non-white American fluent in English believes he is white?</p>
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<p>Your self-righteousness leads you to believe that most Presidents of our nation’s elite universities think as you do. Find me a single President who believes that white Americans are not interested in interacting with black Americans. Find me a single President who believes that the purpose of racial preferences is to foster self-segregation.</p>
<p>I think the only reason why other defenders of racial preferences haven’t called you out on your pro-self-segregation position is that in the past, I’ve annoyed them too much by exposing the gaping holes in the whole “diversity” charade and sham.</p>
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<p>I do not think I said that anywhere, … If that were the case then I would be arguing African Americans and Whites have the same culture as they both speak English. So I find it puzzling how you could not see that. What I am saying is that to be a member of the White Culture one needs to speak a European language. It does not mean that anyone who speaks a European language is member of the White Culture.</p>
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<p>What is “the white culture”? Now, do you say that because you actually believe there’s only one? Or do you keep saying that because your native language has no definite article and you don’t know when to and when not to use “the”?</p>
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<p>I believe I have already addressed this:</p>
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<p>There are sub cultures within the European culture. However, many Europeans also associate with a single common European identity, in which phenotype and thereby European ancestry alongwith religion, shared common European history, myths, cuisine and music play a major role. This is the White culture.</p>
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<p>Yeah, and I believe I tore apart your “answer.”</p>
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<p>So “the” white culture to you refers to an abstract, vague notion that even though Europeans been killing each other for thousands of years, at the end of the day, they’re all from the same continent and thus they’re all family.</p>
<p>OK. How important do you think this “the” white culture is to white Europeans? Do they value it more or less than their own country’s culture, broadly speaking? The culture of the region in which they grew up? The city they live in?</p>
<p>All ill say is three words: It’s not fair :-(</p>
<p>This isn’t the best setting to have this argument…,</p>
<p>Most of this doesn’t make any sense because it’s all irrelevant to college admissions. Almost all kids who want a college education can get it in America. Whether its a brand name, elite university or not is a crap shoot. There are no shoo ins except for billionaires with their names on buildings and such stuff.</p>
<p>[Asian</a> Quota in the Ivy League](<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/12/19/fears-of-an-asian-quota-in-the-ivy-league/statistics-indicate-an-ivy-league-asian-quota]Asian”>Statistics Indicate an Ivy League Asian Quota - NYTimes.com)</p>
<p>As an Asian, I want to be sincere in my interests - math and science - but I feel pressured to diversify ECs in order to shed the stereotype. I volunteer occasionally, but mostly because I like hanging out with the group at the shelter, and I play tennis to clear my mind. I don’t really want to run for student government or attend a youth leadership camp…I think my time is better learning what I can about math and physics, and I hope I’ll have something to contribute to society in the future. </p>
<p>For others out there: how do you deal with this? Do you veer away from your real interests and talents in order to game admissions? If not, how do you fight the assumption that your abilities are the superficial product of your parents’ Maoist education scheme?</p>
<p>You can behave strategically while still being true to yourself. (Easier said than done, I know.) I suggest exploring your conflict in your essay. (Also easier said than done.)</p>
<p>I just didn’t list any race on my applications, because I don’t think I or anyone else should have to, and haven’t thought about it since. I’ve already been accepted to two colleges, so if not listing anything hurt me it wasn’t enough to push me over the edge.</p>
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<p>That’s a great reason to decline self-identification (no reason necessary, just to be clear). Congratulations on your acceptances.</p>
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<p>In light of the fact that a least one admissions officer has admitted that the admissions process is “subjective”…</p>
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<p>…college applicants can avail themselves of the only option/opportunity that guarantees that their application will be evaluated without any consideration of ‘race’. The movement to do just this is growing even at the secondary level:</p>
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