"Race" in College Admission FAQ & Discussion 10

<p>Lol. The idea that the factors measured by a test score are all that matter about deciding who to admit to a college just because the test has some “uniform measure” is some different type of nonsense, I presume.</p>

<p>I disagree that the SAT (or the ACT, or some test) should be the only factor in admissions. Subjective criteria such as extracurriculars and essays are fine. But it’s a huge stretch to go from “the SAT isn’t everything” to “it is essential to consider racial classification.”</p>

<p>Philovitist: You are missing the point. Nobody is saying that test scores should be “the only factor”. It might not even be the “major factor”. We can discuss the proportions (at least it’s something (together with GPA) related to academic. Still much better to me than sport/music achievements or community service activities). My point is that diversity (race/gender) should not be the factor at all.</p>

<p>No, you’re repeating the same point, just expanding it to include other coarse metrics of academic ability. Still just short-sighted. </p>

<p>What do you think the point of college admissions is? Why do you think colleges care about ECs and essays in the first place?</p>

<p>@Philo, elite colleges originally started requiring EC’s & essays long ago as a deliberate strategy to keep out Jews. Now they persist in requiring them to keep the admissions process opaque so they can admit whomever they want and avoid discrimination lawsuits.</p>

<p>Not the question. Why do they embrace it now? To keep out Whites?</p>

<p>To keep out Asians</p>

<p>any evidence that this purposefully takes place? why not other non-URM ethnic groups, too?</p>

<p>By “other non-URM ethnic groups”, you mean Whites. In proportion to their percentage of the U.S. population, Whites are an under-represented majority in the elite schools.</p>

<p>So…the point of requiring ECs and essays is indeed to keep out whites?</p>

<p>The point of EC’s & essays are to give the schools cover to favor/exclude whatever they decide is the flavor-of-the-day demographic group. </p>

<p>The U.S. is the only developed country that I am aware of that has this EC/essay farce. Even a multi-cultural country like the UK admits college students on the basis of A-Levels. I think the closest national thing the U.S. has to A-Levels are AP tests or SAT subject matter tests. </p>

<p>Lest you argue that EC’s/essays are necessary to ensure identifying well-rounded students, my non-American (European, African & Asian) overseas co-workers who were not subjected to the American college applications process, all seem un-dronelike and are well-balanced human beings who, by their own volition, play recreational sports, musical instruments, volunteer at orphanages, and are kind to small animals.</p>

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<p>Who are “other non-URM ethnic groups”?</p>

<p>I have heard that they do not accept based upon race, but they do pick students to represent geographic diversity.</p>

<p>Race most certainly is a factor in the selection process. That’s why the issue keeps coming back to the Supreme Court.</p>

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<p>I think you’re confusing effect for intent and you’ve done nothing to show that this is not indeed the case. :/</p>

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Italians, Irish . . . .</p>

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<p>So then “other non-URM ethnic groups” is just a obfuscated way of saying “white.” Thank you.</p>

<p>Admissions Hindsight and Lessons Learned</p>

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