fabrizio You certainly know how to argue. There just are never any facts that go with your arguments. You seem to have a lot of angst against blacks . I am not sure why. It seems like we can add women to that group. Let me help you out with the facts once again. Menlo Park does not have a lot of blacks. Move over to the next city East Palo Alto and there are a lot of impoverished latinos and blacks . They stand to benefit from AA. I noticed that South Georgia where you went to school just moved away from segregated proms in high school. I am very impressed. That is certainly a major step in terms of AA
I don’t know what school district Fabrizio is from, but the schools down in his area held “private” proms to segregate the students. The school may have “allowed” an integrated prom, but the students (cough, parents) still held their own dance.
Thanks GA2012 for help putting some perspective into this discussion.
Fabrizio, my daughter will soon be a phycisian, trauma surgery. If you are in a bad car accident, can my daughter treat you? Or will you ask her if she was a mismatch at med school, residency and fellowship? She may have skated through…ya know how they let those AA kids do.
@ GA2012MOM
"I have no problem with your voice being heard, but until you realize that standardized test scores are NOT all schools are looking for, well you might as well be pissing in the wind. You can **** all you want, but private schools can set their admissions criteria as they see fit.
IMO, a 2280 one and done is MUCH more impressive than a drone who has been studying for a single test for YEARS to insure that you get a perfect 36 or 2400. So ho hum boring!"
Indeed. Now do you have any proof that high scoring Asian-Americans have studied for this test for YEARS any more than students of another race have? Or are you just an extremely racist person who wants to justify black’s massive advantage for you and your family’s benefit.
I can’t speak for every Asian, but I myself took about 5 practice tests for the SAT (1 in the middle of sophomore year scoring in the mid 2200s, then one right before the start of junior year scoring 2280) to get into a rhythm for the rest, as is advised, and scored a 2360. Fact of the matter is, studying can’t do much to raise test scores.
what race is @fabrizio?
Just curious.
Guess
The anaconda, I have no more proof that Asians study more for the SAT than Fabrizio has that all the AA kids that take the spots are wealthy.
There are some extremely racist people in this thread Anaconda. Ga2012 is not one of them
I am white, FWIW.
Where did Fabrizio go, I was going to invite him for lunch…seriously. \m/
lol the duke study found that the blacks and latinos were actually poorer/ lower socioeconomic status, but not by that much.
It also found that whites had higher socioeconomic status than the Asians, and that the Asians had better rated essays, recs. etc. in addition to higher test scores. So clearly more qualified all the way across.
I haven’t read any of those studies, nor do I want to. I will take it at face value what you have said @theanaconda . That being said…does the study address the differences in the applicants? Did the school want to take all piano or violin players, or did they want to round out the orchestra with a tuba and glockenspiel player? You know where I am going with this,. Does the school need 100 top ranked tennis players, or would they like a few fencers, squash players etc.
I have no disdain for blacks and Hispanics. I have disdain for people who refuse to acknowledge facts. [And it’s a fact that on a per section basis, 700 is the 99th percentile for blacks](https://secure-media.collegeboard.org/digitalServices/pdf/sat/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-ethnicity-2014.pdf). With 212,524 black students taking the SAT in 2014, that would suggest that no more than 2,125 scored at least 700 on each section.
So you tell me, ma’am - are 2,125 students enough for even 100 top ranked schools to meet their, cough, “diversity goals”? Of course not. These schools have to admit lower scoring students, or else people like you would throw hissy fits and complain that they were being racist. Now, it’s totally fine to admit lower scoring students, but then, why don’t we see lower scoring whites and Asians being admitted in similar numbers? Why is it that lower scoring blacks and Hispanics consistently have these amazing personalities that make them more attractive than higher scoring whites and Asians whereas lower scoring whites and Asians are just mediocre?
You have no answer, of course. You just have your fallback line of “SAT isn’t everything; get over it!” As if I have ever said that it is or should be everything.
This just in: Wilcox County, Georgia - population 9,255 - represents all of “South Georgia.”
I also don’t know which district your daughter attended schools in. If you are talking about black students actually attending “Princeton, MIT and Yale,” I suspect that you’re from Atlanta or one of the surrounding suburbs.
Obviously South Georgia is not Atlanta. And I know that throughout my four years of high school, no blacks went to “Princeton, MIT and Yale.” I doubt any even applied. To be clear, the vast majority of white students at my school didn’t apply to those schools either. The vast majority had no interest in attending those schools; for them, they wanted to go to UGA, and barring that, Georgia Southern.
Pretty sure I wouldn’t be throwing a “hissy fit”. But you show disdain for women by saying that. If I were a man, would I be throwing a hissy fit? That being said that you also put down women, I have no reason to throw a fit…my kid got into her UG and her medschool with very adequate scores. Don’t worry, she didn’t take anybody’s spot.
So, where do you want to go for lunch??
What a surprise. You don’t even know what mismatch predicts.
I was asleep? You posted that at 2:02 AM EST.
Hispanics, on average, actually came from families with higher incomes than Asians. Blacks, on average, indeed came from families with the lowest incomes, but even then, it was still ~$120,000, which adjusted for inflation from 2001-2002 to the present would be around ~$158,000.
And if @GA2012MOM wants to point out the obvious that means are sensitive to outliers, a plurality of black students at Duke in those years came from families that earned more than $100,000 per year, which adjusted for inflation would be more ~$132,000 per year.
So were these necessarily super duper wealthy families? No. But the idea that you are talking about struggling inner city kids who don’t have the time to study for the SAT and hit 2280 as “one and dones” is complete fiction.
Oh first it was the race card, now it’s the gender card. Got any other PC cards you want to play on me? FYI, if you were a guy and saying the same nonsense, I’d have said “hissy fit” for you as well.
Funny that you try to taunt me with “she didn’t take anybody’s spot.” Did people in your daughter’s high school complain about that kind of stuff? Because as I said just now, I went to a high school in South Georgia where the vast majority of students, white and black, did not apply to “HYPSM etc.” So of course, the vast majority of students did not complain about “blacks taking [their] spots.”
Now, if that was the case for your daughter’s high school, then ma’am, your daughter and I did not go to the same kind of high school.
As for lunch, I assume you’re in Atlanta. How about we make you feel uncomfortable and we go down Buford Highway?
I love the restaurants on Buford Highway! Inside the perimeter? Why on earth would I feel uncomfortable there? My D was not an inner city kid, but did come from a home with a yearly income that was abysmal. Her one week of studying with a book checked out from the library did her just fine…and her UG did note her one and done, and that’s not fiction.
You didn’t answer my question. Did anyone at your daughter’s high school complain about their “spot” being “taken”?