The current maximum at MIT is a double major. The quadruple major sounds awfully suspicious to me.
Of course not. Please, stop the red herrings.
I think Talent is the Red Herring!!!
Feel free to think that. You can do that and stop your own use of red herrings. No contradiction between the two.
florida26 Why does it matter if TalentOver states he has a quadruple major or not. It is irrelevant to the question of racial or gender preferences. You can believe TalentOver or not, but it has no bearing on the issues we have been discussing about racial preferences.
TalentOver So you are admitting that relatively lower scorers can do the work. If that is the case, you should be able to see that admission solely by SAT excludes many who are otherwise capable of doing the work. As to your comment “There are better things to do in life than to study 24/7” shouldn’t that be the decision of others and not you. You have made a value judgment that you wish others to have, but the reality is that everyone has their own ideas of what to value.
I think Talent is the previous poster that got deleted. I think he reincarnated himself
florida26 It would be great if you could answer the questions posed by fabrizio and myself. It might help you understand why your beliefs might be misplaced.
As for TalentOver, you can choose to ignore him/her if you believe s/he is an other poster.
I think that too. That’s why I haven’t replied to any of his posts. Now, you’ll kindly note that I answered your questions [in this post]("Race" in College Admission FAQ & Discussion 11 - #1731 by fabrizio - Applying to College - College Confidential Forums). I hope it is now clear, beyond any doubt, what my position is. I expect that you will not misstate my position again.
GuyWithHighIQ, NYCTeacher, WOWWTFBBQ, TalentOverEffort,…I may have missed a few pseudonyms…SMH
TalentOver Please provide your data/research to support what you are saying. It has been my experience that although one needs to have sufficient level of cognitive ability, it must be coupled with hard work to achieve at the highest levels.
TalentOver Here is mine http://arxiv.org/pdf/1011.0663v1.pdf
Where is yours?
TalentOver The research supports my argument, not yours. After a certain threshold of in SAT Math, GPA could not be predicted. Please provide your research that says that those who score 700 Math SAT are not capable of the level of achievement of those who scored 800 SAT Math.
TalentOver I provide the research that supports my position, you have not provided any data/research to back up your statements. Now you have resorted to florida26 like comments to distract and avoid answering.
If you are as smart as you claim, providing just one research/data should not be a problem. If not, please sit down and stop making claims that you cannot support.
Guywith,
So what is it that you really want? Blacks exterminated? White as slaves? Obviously, you believe that Asians are a superior, Master race. Instead of returning to this thread over and over again in ever new iterations, perhaps you should spend some of that high income you claim and start a new website for people who agree with your perspective. Perhaps an Asian Stormfront?
Then wouldn’t the logical mitigation be to give a leg up for low income?
florida26 Since you haven’t responded about your comments on your post #1723. Here is data that refutes your claim that “The average black person will score 200 points lower than the average Asian on the SAT just on income considerations alone. Factor in the educational attainment of the mom and dad and most of the difference between groups can be explained”.
http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/testing.htm#APPENDIX%20B
https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.■■■■■■■■■■■■■/2011/07/why-ses-does-not-explain.pdf
BTW the amazing part of the data is that Asians at low incomes have SAT Verbal that is not much better than Hispanics and Blacks and is much lower than Whites, but as Asian income rises, the gap between Whites disappears but the same cannot be said of Blacks and Hispanics.
Can’t help but wonder…could Guywith, etc. really be Kenneth Eng?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK4fjMhGn-I
If so, here is a nice tribute to you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcUsHRUqJK4
vor your supposed evidence was 20 years old . Secondly each variable was taken separately. Do you have a study with two dependent variables? That is what you need. Heres a better question Why do you think blacks do worse on the SAT and what can be done about it? Do you believe Asians are genetically superior??? Does the SAT have culture bias?
Getting back to one of my earlier points you are in favor of holistic admission without race considered. That is not the law of the land per grutter. Sorry Secondly lets forget urms entirely. Whites do better than Asians on AP tests in many jurisdictions and whites do almost as good on SAT tests. So in elite college admissions lets keep the 14 to 1 population ratio of whites to asians in the admissions process. Anything else would show bias in favor of asians. Are you okay with that??? It seems only fair to me
florida26 the data is similar today. Yes to your second question but I don’t think that matters.
Not sure why Blacks do worse on SAT but I don’t believe it is genetic. There are many possible factors but that has little to do with my concern for URMs being given huge racial preferences in the college admission process. Trying to parse out the factors does not address the wide chasm of academic preparation between URM’s given huge racial preferences to the general elite student population.
Contrary to your belief, I want URMs to succeed. But I don’t think that sending URM to colleges where their level of academic achievement is not generally on par with the general student body fosters success. Try taking students who just completed pre-Algebra and put them in Calculus with students who just completed pre-Calculus and see what the results are. The less academically prepared are not going to do so well compared to the better prepared students. There will always be some outliers but in general the pre-Algebra students will not do as well as the pre-Calculus students. This is effect would be similar to the huge racial preferences URM receive to get into elite schools. IE Academic Mismatch that fabrizio and I have been stating. If this was not a problem, although I do not like discriminatory policies, I would not have a problem giving disadvantaged students a helping hand in the college admission to elite schools.
No I do not believe the SAT is culturally bias. That is usually a charge levied to explain the wide difference in SAT scores between URM and Whites but the Asians are outperforming the Whites on the test. Asians are not the ones writing the test. The results on the SAT also correlate quite well to high school GPA. URM have the lowest HS GPA compared to Whites and Asians. In fact every measure of academic achievement the results are the same. So, No to the SAT being culturally bias.
What the heck are you saying in your last paragraph?! Have you not understood any of my prior posts about discrimination. Go back and reread because your question shows an utter lack of comprehension.
Now since I have answered all your questions, please provide the data/research that you rely on and answer the questions posed to you by fabrizio and myself. In your words, “It seems only fair to me”.
VOR let us see your two variable study . What is it you dont understand about the last paragraph? It would appear that there is extreme bias in favor of asians as opposed to whites using your logic. Are you okay with taking steps to eliminate that bias in favor of asians??? I think you are trying to avoid the obvious result of your logic because it worsens your position significantly.