"Race" in College Admission FAQ & Discussion 11

<p>Any interest in the west coast? My son’s HS near Seattle has more asian kids than white kids. UW has a well-respected SW school and, as they are on the quarter system, she would have until Dec. 15 to apply for spring quarter.</p>

<p>Our Egyptian cousin (by marriage) is in college in the midwest and is having the same issue. He barely leaves his room and is afraid to be alone off campus.</p>

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<p>[North</a> Carolina QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau](<a href=“http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/37000.html]North”>http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/37000.html) shows demographics of North Carolina that may contribute to thinking of race relations in black and white terms: 72% white, 22% black, 6% all others; 9% Latino of any of the races.</p>

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<p>I disagree.</p>

<p>I think that at MANY small colleges such behavior would be almost unthinkable, and definitely would result in negative peer pressure.</p>

<p>Any of the women’s colleges, for example.</p>

<p>On the other hand, I know someone whose D experienced an atmosphere–in her eyes, anyway–of racism at Elon. I wouldn’t be in the least bit surprised if that were not the OP’s D’s school. THe girl I knew was of South American ethnic origin, adopted by a Jewish family. She hear a lot of anti-Semitic talk and anti-hispanic talk, and experienced a lot of social division after sorority rush was done. </p>

<p>The bro-ish white guys I know who went there, on the other hand, loved the place.</p>

<p>Sad situation OP - you have my sympathy. I have sons at 2 NC universities - Wake Forest and Elon, and we are Jewish, so I am sensitive to the issues you have raised. I obviously can’t speak for every NC university, but I do feel that both of these universities are seriously striving for increased diversity and take any incidents of racial or religious bias very seriously.</p>

<p>So, with that in mind, are you sure transferring is the solution? You cannot escape stupidity and bigotry. There is no college in the nation that can guarantee freedom from idiots and their comments. And then, later in life, there is the workplace and the neighbors to deal with. I would rather my sons learn to deal with anti-Semitism and know how to respond to it than retreat. </p>

<p>Surely she is not the only one offended by these incidents - is there any chance she would consider staying and being part of the solution?</p>

<p>I’ll suggest to your D to stop being so sensitive and to discuss openly, that she doesn’t feel comfortable.</p>

<p>As my supervisor used to say, “don’t assume bad intentions, when it may be explained by simple stupidity”. </p>

<p>I do remember as one colleague of mine (after a number of drinks) started to tell me that he doesn’t like Latinos (I am Latina and he knew it). I froze for a second, then realized that he was drunk. So I just asked him, politely, “Why are you telling me bad things about Latinos if you know that I belong to them?” His answer honestly surprised me. He said, “obviously, I am not talking about you. I am talking about the bad ones”. It was hilariously stupid.</p>

<p>Some people are just … stupid. It is not a reason to transfer to a different school.</p>

<p>rockvillemom – I know what you’re saying – and beerme brought it up in Post #39 – as much as I want this smart dedicated young woman to get out of there (and go to Smith!), part of me is wondering if (and this would only make sense if the school is right for her in every other way and she can see positives in her classes or other classmates or major or internship opportunities) there might be some merit to viewing staying there as one of many options. </p>

<p>I’m not saying she should stay. I’m saying it might have value as an option and perhaps should not be discarded out of hand. We all want our children to really enjoy their college experience and it’s awful standing by the sidelines when things go wrong. And my gut tells me she’d be happier someplace else. But I think she needs to hear “under what circumstances would you consider staying?” Just to open that conversational vein as it were. Which is an awful metaphor.</p>

<p>"Our Egyptian cousin (by marriage) is in college in the midwest and is having the same issue. He barely leaves his room and is afraid to be alone off campus. "</p>

<p>Come to California.</p>

<p>BlueRoses123 ,</p>

<p>I see your issue. Adoptive kids may be very sensitive. </p>

<p>I’ll suggest transferring to California. Many Asian kids, really smart. Many Chinese girls adopted by white couples. Your D. will see similar families, plenty of them. UCLA, Berkley - over 50% Asian. Many kids from adoptive families.</p>

<p>On the other hand … in my D.'s HS most kids are Asian. Great kids. But they make lots of fun mocking each others accents and tiger moms. Borderline, in my opinion. However, since Asian kids mock Asian accents nobody complains. Maybe we should …</p>

<p>Californiaaa,</p>

<p>I’ll refer you back to my post #40 where I’ve stated it’s much more than “sophomoric humor” or in your implication due to OP’s D’s oversensitivity. </p>

<p>Very interesting considering this type of BS described by OP does constitute a “hostile environment” in educational/work environments judging by the orientations I attended in college and several past workplaces. And the latter orientations were given by corporate counsel whose jobs include ensuring the company and its supervisors/employees/institutional framework doesn’t run afoul of EEOC/anti-discriminatory policies.</p>

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<p>Or the DC Metro area. Maybe the University of Maryland. Or at least consider jobs in that area after college.</p>

<p>This dates back several years ago but I have a cousin whose daughter transferred from a very small liberal arts college in the Midwest to Wesleyan. She had a huge merit scholarship at the very small liberal arts college that had the ideal curriculum for her interests-she was a double major in French and Spanish and study abroad was very important to her. We are all Jewish but the racial incident and bias was not directed at her rather at the few black students and she could not tolerate the blantantly hostile environment. Even though Wesleyan was pretty pricey, she never regretted her decision to transfer for one minute.</p>

<p>OP’s kid only looks Asian, doesn’t mean she has any affiliation to Asian kids. She is a white all American kid for all intents and purposes. She isn’t going to be more comfortable at a school with 50% Asian. But I don’t think that’s what we are discussing here. There will always be racist people in this world and most of the time it is to cover up their own insecurity. I don’t think there is a school she could transfer to where she is not going to encounter discrimination. </p>

<p>D1 graduated from a very large U. When she was a freshman, a young man from Long Island said to her group of friends (3 of them beautiful bi-racial Asian girls), “There is no way I would date an Asian girl.” D1 said to him, “May you be so lucky.” All other friends called him a jerk. D1 was really upset when she told me about the incident. I asked her, “Do you like him? Do you need to be friends with him? He is the stupid one, so forget about him.” A month later, this guy was dating an Asian girl!! Because of the remark this guy made, he was never invited to any events at D1’s sorority. D1’s guy friends also thought he was a loser. Who missed out? </p>

<p>I think a lot of kids go off to college with their parents’ prejudice, but often they change when they are exposed to a broader view. I would tell your D that there are always ignorant people out there, she’ll need to learn to deal with them and not let them get to her. I went to a small LAC with less than 10 Asians in the whole school. I encountered my own share of prejudice, but I also met a lot of very nice people.</p>

<p>I am not saying OP’s D shouldn’t transfer, but I am not sure if she could find a campus which is free racism.</p>

<p>I think the OP should name the school. Nothing changes when stuff like this is pushed under the rug. Also, as a parent of a biracial Asian/Black senior who has asked his DD to consider NC schools like Davidson and Elon I want to know how this is handled. </p>

<p>OP should consider Scripps in California.</p>

<p>I don’t think your d. should put up with crap. Period. Life is too short. It’s your hard-earned money. Vote with your feet, and your dollars. </p>

<p>There’s nothing to be learned in tolerating crap. There is something to be learned in fighting it vigorously, but nothing to be learned in tolerating it.</p>

<p>Get the heck out.</p>

<p>(and, yes, I think it important that you name the school.)</p>

<p>Because the school is small and the OP’s daughter may be conspicuous on campus because of her heritage, the OP may have good reason not to name the school.</p>

<p>Berkeley has had a lot of problems with anti-semitism.</p>

<p>Are we also sure that this isnt partially the student having anxiety at being away from home in a new environment? Thats the thing- this is <em>diverse</em> from her previous experience and that can cause discomfort. </p>

<p>And if it is Elon, the majority of the students are OOS- mostly from the Northeast.</p>

<p>Suggest she watch the film “42” - maybe it will speak to her.</p>

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<p>Israeli/Palestinian politics/protests quickly degenerate into both anti-Jewish and anti-Arab hostility, since the noisiest people on any side of it tend to be the most racist. But their number is rather small compared to the noise they make, although such noise is likely to be found anywhere there is political activity.</p>

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<p>Might be worth naming the school after she transfers, if there is concern about retaliation against her.</p>

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<p>Yeah the OP didnt claim there were torch wielding mobs marauding across the campus (thats Oberlin); its a couple of bad apples that are effecting her experience. Thats seems entirely comparable to the antisemitism that goes on in CA public universities. </p>

<p>Diversity is a 2-edged sword. Some of the least tolerant people are the most diverse.</p>