This is what you said and it is wrong. Simply wrong, according to the dictionary, to Wikipedia, everything. No one cares what people in Spain consider themselves, we were talking about the US, despite your little “URM” strawman argument.
Try to accept it and move on.
PS: We don’t know what you’re quoting from in your previous post because you don’t seem to know how to provide attribution for the nonsense you copy and paste here.
“I think I now know why your insistent to sticking to your obviously ignorant and false position on IQ. Also the fact that you label a lot of studies that prove the environment along with other socioeconomic factors effect IQ. Wealth would probably be a much stronger correlation than simply taking into account income since the cost of living isn’t factored in here.”
I’ve read all of them and I refer to them as Mickey Mouse studies because they lack rigor and comprehensiveness. I know this is hard for you to believe because you are still a high school student, but just because some guy has a PhD doesn’t mean he knows what he’s talking about. A sociologist and a psychologist should have no business explaining econometric models or even attempting a study that requires something more complicated than univariate analysis.
The unfortunate issue is that most people in this planet lack the education and intelligence to comprehend this problem, and so they take the intellectually lazy path of believing whoever has the most degrees, which then results in people supporting misguided policies like Affirmative Action when there isn’t really a problem to be solved.
Based on IQ models, the current racial composition in higher ed and STEM/high-paying fields is to be expected.
I have never denied a strong correlation between IQ/SAT scores and income. I have only argued that genetic plays the biggest role, with environment playing no role (Or at best, a very minuscule role). My beliefs are backed my twin adoption studies. The similarities between twins born in vastly differing environment don’t end with just intelligence. Height, voice, hand-writing, interests, occupations, quirks, and everything else are similar. You really have no idea just how powerful genetics is. In one case, both of the twins who have never seen each other love washing their hands until they are red. One of the twins said that he does it because his step mother taught him to be clean, while the other said that he does it because he didn’t want to turn into a slob like his step mother.
Ironically, it is our genes that cause us to think the environment influenced us when we would have turned out the same regardless of where we grew up.
“Anyway, because your Asian you hold a personal grudge against others who argue against your model and feel that you and your fellow Asians are the most entitled based on IQ alone. This is obviously false since differences in test scores between whites and Asians are very trivial. The fact that you believe most Asians like you don’t try hard is laughable. Most Asians lock themselves up in their rooms studying for months for tests, constantly doing their homework and working “hard”. Or were your parent any different in emphasizing “hard work”? Have you heard of tiger parenting where it is normal for parents to abuse their kids for higher academic performance? This is very common amongst Asian families.”
This is laughably off-point. First off, I don’t have a problem with affirmative action at elite colleges. Private institutions can do whatever they want, and I also personally believe that Asians should stop complaining. Based on the Founding Fathers, Asians and other non-whites were not even supposed to be welcome to the US. You can read excerpts from the Founding Fathers who were clear as day that the US was supposed to be for whites and whites only.
Ever since 1965, when the laxer immigration laws have been passed, the massive influx of Asians have diluted the US labor market and have caused white American wages to stagnate and decline. Look up wage statistics going all the way back to the early 1900s. Americans were enjoying YoY wage increases until 1965, where it started stagnating before going down a few decades after. Coincidence?
Currently, wages for a typical American are so bad the media had to resort to average wage to suppress any indication of a disappearing middle class.
Today, 50% of working Americans (This excludes children, NEET, and retirees) make less than $28,000/year.
Asians have harmed the living standards of Americans, and now they want to leech the institutions that whites have built. If Asians have their way and become 50+% of Harvard, the whites would move and build up some other college, where then Asians would reject Harvard and follow the whites. It’s a one-sided parasitic relationship that is morally reprehensible.
I personally believe it is best if there is no immigration to any country. Asians, as well as other non-whites, should solve their own problems instead of dragging the west down with them.
Don’t dare try to claim my Asian ethnicity is causing my emotions to guide my beliefs. I say this as humbly as possible: I am one of the most unbiased people in the world. What I say and what I believe in are guided by my understanding of facts, even if they may oppose my interests.
Likewise for this topic, I am criticizing the pro-affirmative action arguments because they lack solid evidence, not because I have an emotional or financial stake in the argument. I am viewing the issue as a statistician, not as a social justice warrior. If you lot were honest that you want affirmative action to admit some races with significantly lower test scores, then I wouldn’t even be in the discussion. It’s only because your side blatantly tries to lie about it by claiming that all races admitted have the same stats that I enter the argument.
As for the rest of your post, it sounds like a broken record. We’ve been through this over and over for the past 1 and a half pages.
After accounting for IQ, income, wealth, and any other socioeconomic factors become statistically insignificant in predicting SAT scores. It doesn’t matter if you link me 1 million studies that don’t factor in IQ, because that would make every single one of those million studies junk. You are in no position, educationally, to decide which studies are good or bad. You don’t have the proper training or tools to decide that, so why should any of us take you seriously?
OH Mom this is where as an experienced player you should realizes it’s time to fold your hand. This is a thread about race in elite college admissions. In the US Hispanics are considered URMs and all of them have origins from third world countries once conquered or colonized by Spain. This is an indisputable fact. Have you ever seen Fernando Torres or other Spaniards? The middle and upper class of Spain are light skinned people with many having blue eyes and blonde hair. Is it your position that Torres’s son should get AA admission to our colleges? As for the Spanish themselves most are no where near as tolerant as Americans and immediately judge people by their accents. My children spent enough time in Spain as children to have good though not quite perfect native accents. You would not believe the Spaniards attitudes towards Mexicans or Cubans and their dialect of Spanish.
Clearly it’s highly disputable since I’ve shown you at least two definitions that include Spaniards. But you don’t seem to read well.
Newsflash: plenty of Hispanic people from Mexico, Cuba, PR, DR, Argentina, Peru, etc are also white. Guess who they are descended from?
Hispanic isn’t a race. There are black Hispanic people, white Hispanic people, brown and even Asian Hispanic people.
A dog born in a horse stable doesn’t make it a horse.
Similarly, an Asian born in Germany doesn’t make him German just has much as a German born in China doesn’t make him Chinese.
Discounting biracials, there is no such thing as an “Asian Hispanic”. You are either Asian or Hispanic no matter how many times the globalists try to force racial integration.
I see a terrible future for the world if we give-in to the racial diversity trap and remove all borders. Just think of the whole world with no national or racial pride making us easily malleable to the manipulations of a small group of elites. We have to resist at all costs.
OH MoM I’m going to assume you are from OH and one again don’t have a clue what you are talking about. Yes Mexico, Central America, and South America do have many people who are largely of European decent but I’ve never seen one standing in the work pick up line for migrant workers at the Home Depot in San Diego. My children all played youth soccer on the top clubs and we met hundred of Spanish speaking families and none of them had any relations to Europeans. If you ever go visit any of these countries or turn on Telemundo you will definitely see the Europeans you are talking about. They are the ruling and upper class of these counties and not the mostly illegal migrants. Most of these migrants are illiterate SW indians with the men 5’5 and women 5’who just happened to be south of the artificial border at the end of the Mexican -American War. They don’t have a drop of Spanish Blood and only qualify purely because they speak Spanish. If you doubt this just come to California and go to any migrant pick up location and talk to them. As you know my family speaks fluent Spanish and we have sponsored a number of the families/boys we met to help them get to college. It’s a different topic but yes many of these so called Hispanics getting AA are from Cuba/SA and are indeed European. These students can be seen all over HPYS and other top colleges. As I told you the Spanish speaking people are delineated by their accents. The Spanish claim they can barely understand Mexicans/Central Am and that they don’t speak proper Spanish.
First, IDK why you would discount biracial people, they exist in large numbers.
Second, of course Asian Hispanics exist, but your agenda is clear with “I see a terrible future for the world if we give-in to the racial diversity trap and remove all borders. Just think of the whole world with no national or racial pride making us easily malleable to the manipulations of a small group of elites.” so I really see no point in discussing it with you.
You know what they say about “assume”. But I won’t get into my personal international experience, you can “assume” it’s extensive. Or not, I don’t really care because it’s beside the point.
OK wait…you personally haven’t seen any white Hispanics at Home Depot or your kid’s soccer team so therefore they don’t exist? Or they exist but they don’t work in landscaping or construction or play soccer? I don’t get what point you are trying to make, unless it’s to say they don’t exist because you haven’t seen them in your town.
There are two running for president of the USA right now. They’re white, they’re Hispanic and they’re American citizens. Maybe they played soccer as kids but in a different league than your kids did.
Obviously there are Hispanics of mainly or all European descent here, this is what I’ve said all along. Whether they benefit from AA or not we don’t know. I’m sure you have some anecdote to share proving something.
I’m really not sure what point you are trying to make overall here, you repeatedly contradict yourself even in a single post.
OH mom you are making my point for me by pretending that the term Hispanic has any real meaning. You seem to confuse well know facts with your personal beliefs. So your position is that the amnesty issue involves significant amounts of immigrants who are mostly European. Are you really going to push that falsehood? The vast vast majority of the Hispanic immigrants are poorly educated and almost entirely of indigenous genetics. This is a fact and not an anecdote. On your next trip to CA go check out any city high school in LA. You are either ideologically driven or know as little about California public schools as you do about Spain. The position you find yourself is called checkmate.
@SAY in your desperate quest to seem superior in this one topic you spend mos to, you’re once again making no sense. I said nothing about amnesty. Here is what i said that you seem to find arguable:
Full stop. That’s what i said. You keep putting up various nonsensical strawman arguments about it, as if I said anything about your kids’ soccer teams or Home Depot or any other nonsense.
I said Hispanic CAN refer to Spanish who are European and provided several sources for that contention. Including the same source (Wikipedia) that you copy/pasted without attribution earlier.
And FYI Hispanic people don’t have to speak Spanish to be Hispanic either.
Please give it up. You argue like a 12 year old. In fact I am pretty sure you are a HS student yourself who wants to pretend to be an adult by referring to kids. I don’t know an adult who posts such nonsense with irrelevant anecdotes, doesn’t know how to link a source in a post and relies on belittling others’ geography or age instead of arguing a point.
OH mom facts are an inconvenient thing. The Spanish are called Spanish. If you doubt this ask them. A native Spaniard is not considered a URM by elite colleges. A good rule to follow is when in a hole you should stop digging.
Yes, I knew this in 6th grade. Didn’t you?
You know sometimes it’s easier if you just stop digging and move on. The term Hispanic is essentially meaningless as used by the colleges in the US anyway. My good friend’s kid got into a top ivy by claiming he was Hispanic because his grandparents were were from Argentina. This boy is 100% European genetically and was told to claim this by the advisor hired by his parents. All his essays were about being Hispanic and the boy didn’t understand a word of Spanish. My children know dozens of other kids who did the same. The truth is that about 40% of the blacks admitted to the top schools aren’t even American. But this is how the system works since being considered a URM is such a big advantage.
Then why are you spending all this time arguing about it with me? You could have just ignored my post, or said “yeah I guess Spanish people are included sometimes but it really doesn’t matter” and gone on to make a point of some kind instead of calling me out for living in the midwest or whatever other nonsense you’ve posted today.
There’s the anecdote I predicted you’d make in my post #1966 
I’m sure your “friend’s” kid had terrible test scores, a lousy GPA and nothing interesting about him at all, and you have the inside track from admissions that this kid was accepted just for being Hispanic. Would you like to buy a bridge? I know of a cheap one in NY.
Not to belabor the point, but he can claim to be Hispanic BECAUSE HE IS. European or not. This is what I’ve been saying.
OHMom this is not an argument. .You have been categorically proven to be incorrect in your statements. Being considered a URM is a major hook at all elite colleges. My friend’s son did have good credentials but his URM status was a major factor. Non-URM students with a 2180 SAT/4.2 GPA have virtually no chance to be admitted to HPYS without a hook. At orientation week at at HPYS my child told me how they got together and asked each other how they “earned their admissions” knowing full well that virtually no one gets admitted by having just good scores and grades. Here it is on the national stage.
‘http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/12/chris_matthews_unsure_if_rubio_cruz_are_hispanic_they_are_cuban_nationals_with_spanish_surnames.html’
You can keep saying that all you like but it doesn’t improve with repetition.
You seem a little bitter about affirmative action, too.
“First, IDK why you would discount biracial people, they exist in large numbers.”
… You can’t be serious…
I am discounting biracials because I was talking about pure races, not mixed races.
A pure Asian can’t be Hispanic just as much as a pure Hispanic can’t be Asian. Stop trying to destroy race.
“Second, of course Asian Hispanics exist, but your agenda is clear with “I see a terrible future for the world if we give-in to the racial diversity trap and remove all borders. Just think of the whole world with no national or racial pride making us easily malleable to the manipulations of a small group of elites.” so I really see no point in discussing it with you”
My only desire is to see the evil multiculturalists fail. We don’t want your tyrannical new world order full of mixed races with no national and racial allegiance.
The elites want a world full of mixed races so they can be easily controlled. A sovereign nation with a strong racial identity opposes the elites’ control. The forced immigration of non-whites into white nations is all planned and intentional in order to get voters who oppose what white people want.
Whites vote Republican, non-whites vote Democrat.
Whites want freedom, non-whites want tyranny disguised as freedom and rights.
Once they get enough non-whites into the country, they can vote in big government politicians who will try to take away guns so that the population can be easily controlled and dominated.
It’s clear where you’re coming from now. Need a bit more aluminum foil for your hat?
OHMOM you are so silly. Because I took the time to understand how admissions really works all of my children have attended the most elite colleges. You on the other hand mislead new students and parents by not telling them the truth. There is an angle to everything and the students/parents in the know use this information to give themselves the best chance for admission. This precisely why students that are 1/16th URM and look white adopt a URM voice when filling out the application. This is exactly why Berkeley has the holistic essays so that URM’s can identify themselves and why in the know 1/16th students use this to their advantage. Parents are also massively gaming the FA awards. At my son’s elite college I met numerous highly educated accomplished people who found ways to drop their income and get FA awards. It is not illegal and it is not a surprise that people alter their behavior if there is an advantage to gain.
@SAY My kid is at an elite college and she’s white.
You seem bitter, as well as really confused about what I’ve said.
Neither confused or bitter you silly person. Many of your comments were factually incorrect and misleading. It’s good your child managed to get admitted. So be honest and tell us the hook that was used?