<p>Heh, by saying something like that, it seems as if the expectation is that the kid wouldn’t keep up. Oh, what a surprise he could keep up?</p>
<p>^ The comment came up in connection with offline discussion of this or the immediate past iteration of this thread. I see a too frequently expressed worry (as perhaps expressed just a few posts above this one) that some students are admitted to colleges but only able to do the “easy” classes in those colleges. To the best of my knowledge and belief, what is easy for one person may not be easy for another. If a college has a general policy of admitting students who are well prepared for that college, irrespective of the students’ “race” (possibly wholly unaware of the students’ race), it is still possible for a lot of students pursuing a lot of different major subjects to have friends of a variety of races, as I did as a student of Chinese years ago.</p>
<p>"Just for the record, it would not occurr to any of my kids to mention the color of anyone in their classes. Honestly, it just wouldn’t. "</p>
<p>For the record, my D did mention it when she first got to college. I can’t remember the last time she’d had another Black kid in her class . Okay, I remember one.</p>
<p>^I guess if it’s that rare, it’s worth mentioning!</p>
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<p>Considering that you’ve frequently mentioned that you are willing to pay money for “diversity” on these threads, I’m surprised that you “[couldn’t] remember the last time she’d had another Black kid in her class.” Was this during high school or at college?</p>
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Where did you read that from? The articles I’ve read from peer reviewed studies, all conclude that Caucasian and Asian students score higher on IQ tests.</p>
<p>Let’s face it, all race aren’t created equal. If there’s preferential treatment in academics, why don’t we push for preferential treatment for race in collegiate sports?</p>
<p>Affirmative action is racism. I don’t see how you can be “antiracist” but be for affirmative action - preferential retreatment given to a few select ethnicities. </p>
<p>If environmental factor is the cause, why won’t we address the situation there, and give a hand to kids in the low socio-economic ladder. I fail to believe that an affluent African American kid is more disadvantaged than a poor white kid living on welfare.</p>
<p>Black people and Hispanic people (especially illegals) are more important than white people or Asian people. They’ve been subject to systematic racism from society which causes their lack of achievement on standardized tests. Affluent black kids have been discriminated against, so justice must be served by letting them into elite schools over whites and Asians. </p>
<p>All races are created equally smart. God made the world this way. Yes, he did choose to make black people more athletic, so that they do well in professional sports, but this is not the point. We are talking about intelligence. To even think that there might be differences in intelligence between races should be a crime. I’m astounded that you would even consider such a thing. Leave it to white people to screw everything up! :(.</p>
<p>If you become a transfer to to different university, does Affirmative Action (AA) still work?</p>
<p>Does AA still work if you’re applying to grad or law schools? :)</p>
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<p>You’re a self-proclaimed “AntiRacist,” and yet you make comments like “Black and Hispanic people (especially illegals) are more important than white people or Asian people”? I’m almost 100% sure that AntiRacist is a ■■■■■.</p>
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<p>As always, it depends. For PhD studies in various business disciplines, there’s very little “diversity” as defined by the supporters of affirmative action. At Carnegie Mellon, for example, eight of the nine PhD students in accounting are Chinese internationals, and six of the nine PhD students in marketing are Asian.</p>
<p>On the other hand, Grutter involved affirmative action at the law school level and held that race could be used as one of many factors in a holistic review. (Grutter was later rendered moot in the state of Michigan because of Proposal 2.)</p>
<p>Yes, but the context may change slightly. We have been looking into med schools. The med schools are interested in reducing disparities in access to health care. Minority doctors are more likely to practice medicine in the inner cities or other areas with large minority populations that lack sufficient medical providers. Historically too, some minorities have a distrust of the white medical establishment - a lingering result of the Jim Crow policies and other things.
An example - currently only 4% of the physicians in the US are hispanic. Increasing the number of hispanic doctors could impact the health care of a large portion of the US population. These doctors may be primary care doctors or specialists. They are both needed.</p>
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<p>I’m not a big fan of that argument. I don’t see why some minorities’ prejudices against white doctors are a compelling reason to push for affirmative action in medical schools for non-Asian minorities. I thought medical schools were in the business of training doctors how to save lives, not catering to racial prejudices.</p>
<p>To you it is catering to racial prejudices, to others it is lowering the barriers to health care, which saves lives. Don’t tell an elderly black man who grow up in Jim Crow times that he is prejudiced while ignoring his life experience.</p>
<p>If he refuses to see a white doctor because of previous institutional discrimination and racism, then that is his fault, not the fault of the medical schools in our nation. The white doctor in question may have had NOTHING to do with Jim Crow. I am not in favor of in essence subsidizing some minorities’ prejudices. I abhor double standards, and if it’s considered racist for a white person to not want to see a black doctor because of race but not the other way around, we’ve got a double standard, and an ugly one at that.</p>
<p>"Was this during high school or at college? "</p>
<p>High school. And middle. And elementary. And pre-school. And soccer. And girl scouts. And church.</p>
<p>“you’ve frequently mentioned”</p>
<p>I “frequently” mentioned? I’m flattered that you remember, but I’d of guessed maybe three times since 2007.</p>
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<p>So do you live in a part of Northern California that has almost no black residents? Or does it have black residents, but you exercised school choice and sent your daughter to a private school, even though you knew that she’d be the “only” black student there? Or something else, and if it’s something else, what is it, if I may so inquire?</p>
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<p>I’m not going to dig up posts from the other incarnations of this thread, but I recall on several occasions reading posts where you describe you and your husband as the “check writers” who ultimately decide what constitutes “diversity.” Thus, it surprised me that you, the “check writer,” didn’t exercise the power of purse in sending your daughter to what appeared to be un-“diverse” schools before college.</p>
<p>Historically too, some minorities have a distrust of the white medical establishment - a lingering result of the Jim Crow policies and other things.</p>
<p>What??? Where are minorities afraid to get medical treatment from white healthcare professionals? </p>
<p>I would hope that ANY healthcare professional of any color treats the human person and doesn’t even think about nationality/race unless the patient might have an illness that his ethnic group is more prone to have. </p>
<p>Who cares what color a healthcare professional is?</p>
<p>Even though you don’t want to believe, it’s true. There are some Blacks who don’t trust white doctors.</p>
<p>"So do you live in a part of Northern California that has almost no black residents? Or does it have black residents, but you exercised school choice and sent your daughter to a private school, even though you knew that she’d be the “only” black student there? "</p>
<p>Last I heard our city was approaching 10 percent AA. Much less when we first got here. The “private school” was a little higher when she first enrolled at age 4. Less now. A lot of kids left this tiny Christian school in search of more AP’s and honors “points”. We wanted her to go to public after we figured it out. She did not want to go. Different values. What can I say?</p>
<p>“something else, and if it’s something else, what is it, if I may so inquire?”</p>
<p>I was in the military. In my specialty, I did not have many choices. One of them was in Germany. To my knowledge, the rest seemed even worse. I had little experience with California. I had NO experience raising kids. It’s journey.</p>
<p>"you describe you and your husband as the “check writers” who ultimately decide what constitutes “diversity.” </p>
<p>Fabrizio, I have a great deal of respect for you. I think you are better than that. You know I never said I decide what constitutes diversity. I decide what my values are, and what my money buys. Except for taxes.</p>
<p>"What??? Where are minorities afraid to get medical treatment from white healthcare professionals? '</p>
<p>I don’t know that I would call it fear. Does preferring a female “provider” seem as outrageous?</p>
<p>Ethnicity and diagnosis in patients with affective disorders.
<a href=“Ethnicity and diagnosis in patients with affective disorders - PubMed”>Ethnicity and diagnosis in patients with affective disorders - PubMed;
<p>Differences in mental health counselors’ diagnoses based on client race: an investigation of adjustment, childhood, and substance-related disorders
<a href=“http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Differences+in+mental+health+counselors’+diagnoses+based+on+client+…-a0193182088%5B/url%5D”>http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Differences+in+mental+health+counselors’+diagnoses+based+on+client+…-a0193182088</a></p>
<p>I am not saying this means much, but it IS part of the history of psychiatry, and the history of medicine. I’m not saying it’s RIGHT that many people ( CC excluded of course…couldn’t happen here)…tend to relate better to people who look like them. But they do.</p>
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<p>No doubt that in the past, some gross injustices were perpetrated against blacks in our country. The Tuskegee experiment comes directly to mind. But if it’s racist for a white person to not seek a black doctor, then it’s equally racist for a black person to not seek a white doctor. What twomules is advocating promotes sheer tribalism: white doctors for whites, black doctors for blacks, Hispanic doctors for Hispanics, Asian doctors for Asians, and so forth. We would be farther and farther away from a world where it does not matter what color you are.</p>