"Race" in College Admissions FAQ & Discussion 5

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<p>That’s a good question. I’m not sure if the federal statistics are gathered in a way that would allow such reporting. College Board would be the only other organization likely to know by mass data-gathering, but perhaps some other organizations have looked at this issue through sample surveys.</p>

<p>how does one become a URM?? sorry, im new to this…</p>

<p>does being an international from the Philippines make me a URM?</p>

<p>just search through the threads and read…</p>

<p>but short answer: no you are not. you have to be born black/hispanic/native to be considered URM.</p>

<p>FYI If you are filipino, you are considered to be a Pacific Islander.</p>

<p>I Googled up this interesting page </p>

<p>[Group</a> Classification on National ID Cards - Jim Fussell - 15 Nov 2001](<a href=“http://www.preventgenocide.org/prevent/removing-facilitating-factors/IDcards/]Group”>Group Classification on National ID Cards - Jim Fussell - 15 Nov 2001) </p>

<p>while looking for something on a related topic.</p>

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<p>No. International students are categorized as “international,” by the federal rules linked to from the first post in this thread, into which your question was merged.</p>

<p>I think a more interesting question (that appears to have been abandoned, like, 10 times now) would be whether a Filipino-American gets a boost from the current system of affirmative action based on his/her ethnicity.</p>

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Incorrect; I have seen it on multiple apps where next to Asian it says “Filipinos included”</p>

<p>The federal definition of “Asian” (one “race” category for domestic students) definitely includes students of Filipino heritage. The “Pacific Islander” category includes people from Hawaii or from Guam, but it excludes people from Taiwan, the Philippines, Japan, or Indonesia (all of which are countries located on Pacific islands).</p>

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<p>[Black</a> or African American persons, percent, 2000](<a href=“http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68176.htm]Black”>http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68176.htm) </p>

<p>I also have not seen any evidence for the claim in this thread that colleges usually distinguish people from the Philippines for more favorable admission consideration than that given to other “Asian” applicants. Colleges each make up their own policies in this regard, but I’m not aware of any college that is on record as having such a policy.</p>

<p>I’m not quite sure what to do about the “race” part of the application. I know being a minority is “good” because you add diversity, but what if Asians (my ethnicity) are the majority? University of Southern California in particular, Asians are the largest population for minorities (<a href=“http://www.usc.edu/private/factbook/2007/all_byethnicity_07.pdf[/url]”>http://www.usc.edu/private/factbook/2007/all_byethnicity_07.pdf&lt;/a&gt;).</p>

<pre><code> I don’t want it to come down to my application vs. another minority where my application would be slightly stronger than the other’s, and to get rejected only because I wouldn’t be diverse enough. I heard St. John’s has done that. (http://**************.com/st.-john’s-university/diversity/)

Should I just leave out my race altogether (since it is optional)? Would that be better than applying as another common applicant?

Also I was hoping to use my ethnicity as an advantage. Would it help my admissions more if I checked off that Korean was my first language? And primary language spoken at home? Would that be more impressive?

So clueless… would appreciate your thoughts!
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<p>Yes, at many Calfornia universities, Asians are not URMs (under represented minorities). In fact, Asians have a very strong representation on many of Califs best campuses. :)</p>

<p>You can leave off your race if it’s optional, but if you have an Asian-sounding name it will be rather obvious. :slight_smile: It looks like your first name is “Laura,” but if your last name is Korean then… :)</p>

<p>Frankly, I don’t think mentioning that Korean was your first language is any real help. Many, many Asian children first learned their family’s native tongue at home before learning English. </p>

<p>Do you have to go to school in Calif? There are states that would like to have more Asian students. Many schools that aren’t in the NE want more Asian students.</p>

<p>But…if California is where you want to be…how are your stats? If they are high, the UCs can’t deny to admit you just because they have a lot of Asian students. Your stats will be your ticket in.</p>

<p>I don’t have to go to school in CA, it’s just my preferred location. Since I’m from Massachusetts my guidence counselor said it’s a good thing because west coast schools wants northeasterns, is that true for USC?</p>

<p>And I don’t plan on applying to any public UC’s, just USC :slight_smile: My stats acutally aren’t that high, I’m waiting to retake my ACT and SAT II end of this month and November.</p>

<p>I wasn’t aware that California schools (such as USC) were short on having NE students. As you can see below, USC does NOT consider state of residency…so being from the NE will be no help.</p>

<p>Many NE students use USC, Stanford, etc, as their backups for when they can’t get into their favorite NE schools. That might be true for some of the lesser known schools in Cali, but not the top ones.</p>

<p>What is it about USC that you like (football spirit???) Maybe if you can state what you like, we can come up with similar suggestions. I’m concerned that your stats won’t let you get admitted to USC since you said that they aren’t that high.</p>

<p>See below to determine how your stats “measure up”…</p>

<p>USC stats for admission</p>

<p>Freshman Academic Profile
Admissions Selectivity Rating: 98
SAT:
% Submitting Score: 84%
Critical Reading Middle 50%: 620 - 720
Math Middle 50%: 650 - 750
Writing Middle 50%: 640 - 730
ACT:
% Submitting Score: 38%
ACT Middle 50%: 28 - 33
Math Middle 50%: 28 - 34
English Middle 50%: 28 - 34
Average High School GPA: 3.71
% with GPA 3.75 of higher: 52.81%
% with GPA 3.50 - 3.74: 28.96%
% with GPA 3.25 - 3.49: 13.45%
% with GPA 3.0 - 3.24: 3.48%
% with GPA 2.5 - 2.99: 1.22%
% with GPA 2.0 - 2.49: 0.08%
Students in Top Tenth of HS Class: 87%
Students in Top Quarter of HS Class: 97%
Freshman Student from Public School High Schools: 58% </p>

<p>Academic Criteria Importance
Rigor of Secondary School Record: Very important
Class Rank: Considered
Academic GPA: Very important
Standardized Test Scores: Very important
Application Essay: Very important
Recommendation(s): Very important </p>

<p>Non-Academic Criteria Importance
Interview: Considered
Extracurricular Activities: Important
Talent / Ability: Important
Character / Personal Qualities: Considered
First Generation: Considered
Alumni/ AE Relation: Considered
Geographical Residence: Not Considered
**State Residency: Not Considered **
Religious Affiliation / Commitment: Not Considered
Racial / Ethnic Status: Considered
Volunteer Work: Considered
Work Experience: Considered
Level of applicant’s interest: Not Considered</p>

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<p>It truly is optional, so that is up to you. The college you mention </p>

<p>[College</a> Search - University of Southern California - USC - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>

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<pre><code>* 1% American Indian/Alaskan Native

  • 27% Asian/Pacific Islander
  • 7% Black/Non-Hispanic
  • 10% Hispanic
  • 46% White/Non-Hispanic
  • 6% Non-Resident Alien
  • 3% Race/ethnicity unreported
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<p>and you could be part of that 3 percent if you like.</p>

<p>[Newsweek.com:</a> Society: Inside The Admissions Game](<a href=“University of Chicago News”>University of Chicago News)</p>

<p>"Last Friday—three days behind schedule—all the big and small envelopes go into the mail. For the first time, Bischoff runs the whole class through a computer program. Only then does Chicago learn that it has accepted 1,529 men and 1,631 women. Their average SAT score is about 1420. Their ethnicity, something that many applicants don’t divulge, still isn’t known in the aggregate. Chicago prides itself on using no gender, racial, geographic or other quotas in deciding whom to accept. “We’re not ‘building a class,’ creating this ideal little world with so many of these and so many of those,” O’Neill says. “We accept the best, and hope to get as many as we can.” </p>

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<p>The article is from 1999. Is there a reason that you’re posting this 10 yrs later?</p>

<p>The thread title is deliberately misleading and reveals an agenda.</p>

<p>my agenda is? Do you have proof that Chicago has changed to an AA based admissions model? Or are you just upset because an elite college doesn’t practice racist admissions standards?</p>

<p>epiphany,</p>

<p>Does the simple act of opposing affirmative action mean I have an agenda? And if so, do people who support affirmative action also have agendas?</p>

<p>Sometimes I feel that the supporters of the status quo craft their arguments such that it is not possible to oppose affirmative action without being a hack, a fraud, or a partisan avec ordre.</p>

<p>I am an Indian high school student from Long Island, and I am applying to a variety of Ivy league schools, including Columbia Unviersity.
Should I report my ethnicity?
If i don’t report my ethnicity, will my chances of being accepted ED change?</p>

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<p>I do not know the answer to this, but have asked about it previously on this board. It would be helpful to know the acceptance rates of those who refuse to racially self-identify. If anyone knows the answer, I hope they will post it.</p>

<p>All you can say for sure is that it can’t be any worse than reporting your actual ethnicity and that there’s a slim possibility it will change your chances of getting into a school.</p>