<p>I wouldnt say Rhodes Scholar is a top criterion. Or top 20.
Warning: I am very pro-VA</p>
<p>Duke
UVA
UNC<br>
Wake Forest
Georgia Tech
Boston College
Maryland
Virginia Tech
Miami
Clemson
Florida State
NC State</p>
<p>Per Duke website, Duke has produced 43 Rhodes Scholars including 1 recent winner announced 2 weeks ago. Duke is the 2nd smallest school with only 6400-6800 students-Ivy like profile.</p>
<p>That’s true. I dont think anyone here would have the foolishness to argue that Duke is anything but #1 in the ACC.</p>
<p>The numbers I show are from the Rhodes website. Unless I miscounted…no idea why Duke’s numbers would differ from the American Rhodes authorities.</p>
<p>Rhodes is an international award, could be Duke is counting students who come under their home countries?</p>
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[The</a> Rhodes Scholarships - Winner Statistics by Endorsing Institutions](<a href=“Office of the American Secretary | The Rhodes Scholarships”>Office of the American Secretary | The Rhodes Scholarships)
You miscounted because Duke has produced 40 American Rhodes Scholars (this years’ numbers haven’t been included in the total yet and the school had 1) and also 3 international Rhodes Scholars for a total of 43.</p>
<p>Does anyone have numbers for Goldwater Scholars? Isn’t that the award for engineers/scientists?</p>
<p>There are Truman Scholars, Marshall Scholars, Cambridge Math Scholars, Rhodes Scholars, Fulbright Scholars…on and on. </p>
<p>And much of the awards are politically motivated. Committees have favorites. </p>
<p>When someone asks (fools errand) to rank the ACC schools, we have to resort to overall perceptions about academic strengths, quality of student life, job prospects. </p>
<p>GaTech, NCState, VaTech and Clemson are all very strong engineering schools. But engineering is more than mechanical engineering. There are many fields within the engineering category. Including BioChem engineering. I know a PhD from VaTech in BioChem engineering. </p>
<p>Picking a college based on prestige is foolish. You should pick a college because its a good fit for you and because of the strength of a program/faculty and then quality of student life.</p>
<p>
Thanks, LBD, I sure did miscount the awards. I rushed through the numbers, my error.</p>
<p>So, now chastened, let me run the numbers again. I am going to ignore international awards as I think a reasonable argument can be made the competition for the Rhodes is less intense abroad than in the US. Plus, I am also ignoring awards not on the Rhodes pages.</p>
<p>Total ACC Rhodes Scholarship Winners:
UVA 46
UNC 41
Duke 39
Wake Forest 13
Florida State 4
GTech 3
Boston College 2
Miami 2
VT 2
Maryland 1
Clem 0
NCSU 0 </p>
<p>The list has changed a bit due my earlier error, but UVA still wins with the most American Rhodes Scholarships. Sorry, Duke, no cigar this category. You got beat out by two state schools.</p>
<p>
Duke
UNC
UVA & BC & Wake Forest
Maryland & Miami
Clemson & NC State & Virginia Tech
FSU</p>
<p>Notes:
[ul][<em>]Georgia Tech is difficult to place, as it is more of an engineering school than even NC State or Virginia Tech; 75% of its student major in business or engineering. Its strength in engineering would place it at the top, but it’s not as strong in a variety of different areas. I therefore excluded it from my list.
[</em>]UVA is known for its selectivity, but with the exception of law and some humanities, it does not fare as well as UNC in most fields.
[<em>]I wish I could rank FSU higher, as it’s a good school with a lot going for it. The ACC is a very competitive league academically, however.
[</em>]Ghostbuster’s caveat rings true; each of them has strengths in different areas. Picking Rosenstiel at Miami over almost any other ACC makes sense, for example, as does picking NC State for agriculture over the others.[/ul]</p>
<p>GT cannot even qualify for Phi Beta Kappa. Very narrow focus.</p>
<p>Ranking FSU under Clemson & NC State & Virginia Tech is an error in my opinion.</p>
<p>parent2noles, </p>
<p>You may be right; I have to admit that I don’t know as much about some of them (particularly VT and FSU) as the others. For many fields (humanities, dance, theatre, etc.), I can definitely see moving FSU up…so I would probably agree with you.</p>
<p>Duke
UVA
UNC/ Wake Forest
Miami/ Boston College
Virginia Tech/ Georgia Tech
Maryland
NC State
Clemson
Florida State</p>
<p>The ACC has many schools that are “great” in a specific area.</p>
<p>Overall:
Duke
UVa
UNC</p>
<p>Agriculture and Vet school:
NC State </p>
<p>Engineering:
Ga Tech
Va Tech/Clemson/NC State</p>
<p>Textiles:
Clemson/NC State</p>
<p>These are areas I’m most familiar with so I’m not going to even try to give other examples. Even a school like Wake Forest would give a more liberal arts college atmosphere, even though it is a research university with strong graduate programs.</p>
<p>Can you sense my North Carolina bias?</p>
<p>^^Clemson doesn’t even have textiles lol</p>
<p>Agreed, it really depends on the field. </p>
<p>Duke, UVA, UNC are all around good picks. Very good name recognition. Then again, outside of Wall Street or management consulting, nobody cares about name recognition. They care about major, gpa, and work history. </p>
<p>Duke is probably the only one that is a safe-bet across the board. Then again, Ga Tech engineering grads are light years ahead of Duke’s engineering grads. Virginia’s engineering is just irrelevant. </p>
<p>Depends entirely on the field. Clemson is probably the only school that doesn’t have one or two world-class programs. But if you’re an undergrad you can still get a very good education there.</p>
<p>Architecture-VA Tech
followed by the others</p>
<p>My mistake, I was unaware that Clemson was phasing out their undergraduate program in textile and polymer chemistry by 2013.</p>
<p>Duke
UVA
UNC
Wake Forest/ BC
Miami
GTech
Maryland
Va Tech
Clemson
FSU
NC State</p>
<p>Duke is the best school, but UNC is the best value</p>
<p>Duke, UVA, Wake, UNC, GA TECH, Miami</p>
<p>Overall:
Duke
UVA
Boston College
GA Tech
Wake Forest
UNC
Maryland
U of Miami
VA Tech
Florida State
Clemson
NC State</p>