<p>Ivy, ACC, Patriot League.</p>
<p>Georgetown would of course have to upgrade its football program if it were to replace FSU. Also, once Bobby Bowden curls up and blows away, you can look for the FSU football program to pull a Duke.</p>
<p>We had a "Duke" year this year. Academics are rising as a result.</p>
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I agree if you are combining sports and academics the ACC is second to none.
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<p>this is the best post!</p>
<p>1 Duke
2 uva
3 UNC
4 Gtech
5 boston college
6 Maryland
7 miami
8 vtech
9 Wake Forest
10 clemson
11 nc state
12 florida st.</p>
<p>that's my ranking</p>
<p>On average, BC and Wake Forest have stronger students than UNC and Georgia Tech.</p>
<p>On average UNC and GaTech has better faculty and facilities than BC and WF.</p>
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On average, BC and Wake Forest have stronger students than UNC and Georgia Tech.
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<p>strong students mean they bench press more?</p>
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Using USNWR rankings, you get the following averages for each conference (counting only the top 10 schools for each conference):</p>
<p>ACC Average: 41.6
Individual School Ranks: Duke (8), Virginia (24), North Carolina (27), Wake Forest (30), Boston College (34), Georgia Tech (38), Miami (54), Maryland (54), Clemson (70), Virginia Tech (77)
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<p>Interesting that you chose to limit it to the top 10 - since NC State and (esp.) FSU really hurt the ACC's average.</p>
<p>It's also interesting to note that the ACC has 4 private schools - as opposed to 1 for the B10, PAC10 and most other major conferences.</p>
<p>"strong students mean they bench press more?" Yes.</p>
<p>Actually, I meant the academic credentials of the students (SAT, etc.) was higher.</p>
<p>In 2002 FSU was 64 overall in the USNews rankings, as I recall. They will be back up there before long.</p>
<p>I agree with chaoses pretty much</p>
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<p>This is not as clear cut as you make it out to be. As I showed in my previous post, the academics are <em>debatable.</em> </p>
<p>For sports, let's look at the director's cup, which is given annually by the National Association of Collegiate Directors of Athletics to the colleges and universities with the most success in collegiate athletics.</p>
<p>Stanford has won the award every single year but one (when it finished second) in the history of the award. UCLA has finished in the top 5 every single year but one, and has many second and third place finishes.</p>
<p>Both of these schools are in the Pac-10.</p>
<p>Again, your statement is not as clear cut as it seems.</p>
<p>The DC puts as much weight on water polo as it does football and basketball. Skewed results.</p>
<p>The Pac-10 is certainly no slouch in football or basketball.
Football-USC
Basketball-UCLA</p>
<p>And in the post I quoted, the guy just said athletics in general. So I think it's fair to include all sports.</p>
<p>All I am saying is that what the dude is claiming is not as clear-cut as he makes it sounds.</p>
<p>It is debatable.</p>
<p>The Big 10 is where it's at....</p>
<p>Football- Michigan, Ohio St., Wisc. (all essentially top 10 teams)</p>
<p>Basketball- Ohio St., Wisconsin, not to mention illinois and mich st. are traditionally strong</p>
<p>Add the 2nd highest avg rank as mentioned... and there you have it!</p>
<p>1 Duke
2 uva
3 UNC
4 Gtech
5 Maryland (instate bias)
6 clemson (personal bias)
7 boston college
8 Wake Forest
9 vtech
10 miami
11 nc state
12 florida st.</p>
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It's also interesting to note that the ACC has 4 private schools - as opposed to 1 for the B10, PAC10 and most other major conferences.
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<p>Doesn't the PAC10 have two private colleges ? Stanford and USC. Neither is too shabby academically, not to metion Cal and UCLA are stronger than almost all of the ACC schools and Washington is up there too. Also, the Big 10 has 11 schools. Though I love the Big 10, they need to learn how to count in the mid west ;)</p>
<p>the only reason why the PAC 10 wins the cup almost every year is because their individual sports are strong. Like for one year stanford wins 6 national champs but it's like track & field, volleyball, tennis (men & women) those should not be put as much weight as say like basketball or football. For instance the gold metal in 100meter sprint should not be the same weight as say a soccer championship.</p>
<p>The ACC is pretty balance in team sports (not individual sports). And they are always on the top. last year soccer in ncaa tourney the ACC sent a RECORD 8/9 teams to the backet. Football sends like 7,8 teams to bowls. And ACC is considered a top basketball conference.</p>
<p>Big 10 don't jump in because the ACC beats big 10 in both sports + academics :D</p>
<p>man, we need the ACC vs. PAC 10 match up for football and basketball every year to see who's better. The Big 10 has been embarassed 8 consecutive years, that's not fun!</p>
<p>We'll play the best of both the ACC and Pac 10 in hockey.</p>