<p>i agree with escape, noone here is an expert on admissions, however, anyone who denies the power of urm status is probably someone that wishes there were no such thing...and we know what kind of people those are. urm status is the difference between penn and, say penn...state.</p>
<p>btw, to anyone that thinks i may be an elitist, sorry, but i attend an elite college, i worked hard to get here and if someone doesn't like it, they can kiss my...</p>
<p>haha.</p>
<p>i guess your "penn... state" joke is a little funnier now.</p>
<p>id be curious to see urm stats at work</p>
<p>without urm status i stand by my original thoughts concerning your chances of admission to swat with your stats and ec's which is 0%, however, should you choose not to apply as a urm, might i suggest a school one or two tiers lower than swarthmore, say a bowdoin. you should have no problems getting into a school on that level with your stats. with your lofty aspirations, i know that would be a particularly large letdown. to avoid a ghastly situation like that, rub the magic urn and let the urm work its magic.</p>
<p>"anyone who denies the power of urm status is probably someone that wishes there were no such thing..." Are you freakin' kidding me?! not even close. no, i'm serious. I really dislike people perpetuating the idea that URMs at top schools don't have to meet the same rigorous standards as other people. Being a URM isn't the same as a shoe-in. I know URMs who were straight-A students while working 40-hr weeks and who were rejected from ivies. And /I/ was accepted to Swat once too, duhvinci. I was also accepted to Carleton with a 4% admission rate. It's not that meaningful in terms of overall capabilities, and it doesn't give you the right to be an asshat. If you think now that you got into a good college your life is set, you're going to have a rocky time of it for the next, oh, 10 yrs or so. seriously -wizen up.</p>
<p>But /if/ you're curious, chill: I believe Swat accepts about 40% of URM applicants, as opposed to 19% total applicants. Now, being 1/8 Native American, I'm not sure how much they'd care. I do believe small colleges sort of try to read through your application to see what sort of environment you actually grew up in -I know being 1/16 middle eastern didn't get me into the only college for which I put that down on the app (Pomona).</p>
<p>I can't believe you just went around on the boards and looked up what school I was at now, Duhvinci, just for the purposes of insulting me. Don't you have anything better to do with your time? Bowdoin's admissions standards are somewhat easier than Swarthmore's. The SAT is optional -only about 85% of Bowdoin's students were in the top-10% of their class, as opposed to around 94% at Swarthmore. I maintain in the scheme of things, this is not a big deal. (Plus I've compared syllabi at various schools, and Bowdoin and Swat don't seem radically different for workload alone -Bowdoin's Enviro Studies dept rocks out hard, which is my main concern, and it's really easy to do independent study if you want more advanced material). </p>
<p>I really think you're going to have a tough time of it socially kid, now or in the near future. But then, I have heard numerous people say that the person who went to Swat from their school was the good but arrogant/obnoxious student, so even though the Swat student I know personally is nice, I guess Swat has its contingent of unnecessarily annoying people.</p>
<p>I really need to go study for my 5 classes, frisbee practice, and some other stuff, and maybe I am silly for getting worked up over some internet post. But I've got another bit to say and then I'll take a vacation from CC.</p>
<p>I went to a great charter high school. It attracted a lot of students who were the top of their class back home. Our SATs were between Carlton and Swarthmore's, and most people didn't study for the SAT. It was more diverse ethnically and socioeconomically than any top college. True we had some awful professors, but we also had some wonderful ones, who pushed us to perform better in every way. I would def guess that some of our classes were harder than some of Swarthmore's classes -though I really don't have the means to do an overall direct comparison. We also had some especially brilliant students -people who did research that won professional awards while they were in hs, people with photographic memories, people from inner-city poor backgrounds who won the state chess championship. However, my hs, which was public, does not have the "ins" with private elite schools the way a lot of east coast schools do. Consequently, our top students, which were probably more intelligent than plenty of Swat students, went to ivies, MIT, and some went to the state schools. And you know what? They'll be fine. Students at state schools will get their 3.8-4.0 GPA and wind up at a good grad program. Admissions to top schools /is/ random to a certain degree, b/c small schools are looking to build community, and they want some diversity. One of the other transfers to Bowdoin was rejected from his first choice, Haverford. I think Haverford made a huge mistake -I have been so impressed with this kid. In addition to being smart, he's incredibly talented at a bunch of different things, and he's super-nice. My roommate at Bowdoin was valedictorian at a competitive public school, a varsity track runner in hs, she sings very well, and she was waitlisted at Amherst. Those top schools don't necessarily accept all of the best students, they're looking to build a community. And so, you were lucky enough to be accepted at Swarthmore, a school you really wanted to go to. Good for you. But don't think that being accepted at Swat means you'll automatically be successful at anything else, and don't think it means you worked harder/are better than anyone else. (seriously, I've met graduates of equally competitive colleges who are not particularly impressive in what they're doing or how they're approaching life post-college) Even if you're nicer in person, Duhvinci, your attitude on this forum does not behoove you. And I think chill definitely has >0% chance at Swarthmore, though I'm not sure that being 1/8 URM will help much. </p>
<p>signing off (and fyi, my hs was IL Math and Science Academy, if anyone's curious to look it up). There's a similar program in 8 states or so (Louisiana, IN, NC, etc.), and I've met other very impressive alum from some of the other high schools. I'm happy to answer questions from people curious about differences between Smith and Bowdoin, but I'll reserve volunteering a lot b/c I don't want fans of Smith to take my perception of my experience as reason to skewer me.</p>
<p>touchy touchy aren't we? i don't recall insulting anyone. it's not like i called anyone a "moron" or anything. all i said was that chill, should he not choose to avail himself of his urm status, he could apply to another institution that has a far more liberal admissions standard than swarthmore. regarding the "obnoxious and/or arrogant swarthmore student (how's that for insulting an entire group of people), everyone i have met here is brilliant, funny, warm, helpful and cuddly....just like me.</p>
<p>"I know being 1/16 middle eastern didn't get me into the only college for which I put that down on the app (Pomona)."</p>
<p>I laughed for like a minute after reading that. Are middle easterners URMs anyway? I don't think so... and you need to have a tribal affiliation and like actual paperwork to prove you are native, and I believe 1/8th may not be enough to make the cut. Moreover, seeing as you live/grew up on a privileged, predominantly white island with very educated parents, I don't think you'll be able to pull the sob destitute URM story very well. In fact, I think it's almost insulting to Native Americans for someone who is 1/8th native and is in NO WAY disenfranchised to even try to take advantage of that to get in.</p>
<p>to the OP: sure, you might have a shot at swarthmore, but why would you want to go to a school full of tools like our friend duhvinvi and other Ivy rejects. Give me a break... 20% acceptance rate? Might as well start calling it Swarthmore State</p>
<p>(the latter part of that paragraph was pure sarcasm)</p>
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<p>other ivy reject? Swarthmore state? Just what have Swathmore done to you to earn such hatre?</p>
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<p>mosty: i dont think its insulting to anyone. when the common app asks what ethnicity i am i think its perfectly honest and upright to check the boxes that apply. the specific rhetoric is "check ALL that apply" its not like im writing each essay on the difficulty i find on a daily basis. so its not as if im being a jerk and trying to take spots away from truly disenfranchised people.</p>
<p>gotta hand it to ramses. it takes a lot of nerve for someone with an sat verbal score in the 600's to tell someone else to learn to read. it also takes a lot of nerve to even consider applying to yale with an sat score of 2020. i also find it ironic that someone applying to yale with a 2020 would say that swarthmore is filled with ivy league rejects. i would welcome ramses to the club, but with a 2020, ramses wouldn't stand a chance of getting into swat, bowdoin, probably, but not swat.</p>
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duhvinci is like my new hero.</p>
<p>if he was in the top few % of his class and/or very talented, he would stand a decent chance at admittance to Bowdoin, it's true (as he /should/ stand a chance, anywhere). The thing is, the admission standards of Bowdoin are not /that/ different from Swarthmore, so that anyone who could probably get into Bowdoin, stands some chance at Swarthmore, unless they didn’t take a standardized test altogether. And of course, saying Bowdoin is one or two tiers below Swat is preposterous, unless you don’t know the definition of a tier, or are willing to rank all colleges in tiers of 1-2 schools. /I/ nearly got a perfect on the verbal SAT, so according to your (twisted) mind, I /can/ read. I recommend "The Theory of Multiple Intelligences" which I'm having to read now for class, to anyone who actually wants new perspectives on this silly debate, and the idea that intelligence doesn’t come in simple hierarchies. I again think it’s shameful you would call an SAT in the 600s bad, considering a fair number of your Swat classmates have one, and some of them might do better than you in some classes. </p>
<p>i'm never defending you again, chill, and i hope you go to Swat so you and duhvinci can fall madly in love face-to-face</p>
<p>i gotta say, i'm kind of curious though, duhvinci, precisely what did you do in high school that makes you such a good person? why don't you tell us a little more about yourself, for a change...</p>
<p>Suggestion: ecape and duh, exchange facebook links or meet someplace between Maine and Pa. You might just be a match made in heaven (or someplace else!)</p>
<p>i'm sorry, but i believe chill and duh are suited better for each other, and i generally believe love triange = bad news. besides, there's a cute socialist boy here who i think might like me :P</p>
<p>chill: re you last posting: i get a lot of that.</p>
<p>ram: if you have to tell people that it's sarcasm: then it's not.</p>
<p>mommamia: would that someplace else happen to be the same place where you reside?</p>
<p>escape: i never implied that you couldn't read. i would never be so rude as to tell someone else (whether they could and especially if they couldn't) to learn to read. i am happy that you got a near perfect score on the verbal sat (why i should care is another story), to end up at bowdoin, does that then mean that you can't do 'rithmatic? good luck with che gueverra, if it works out, mommamia will host the rehearsal dinner at her place, but be warned, i think where she lives, it's very very hot.</p>
<p>to answer your question -nope, wrong about me again. </p>
<p>I hope mommamia isn't a parent. If she is, I hope she has 1/2 the temper of my mother, as this could get interesting...</p>
<p>my verbal score isn't in the 600's, it's a fairly literate 740. maybe you should learn to count--wait, maybe i shouldn't say that because i suck at math. sorry duvinci, u so smarter than me!</p>
<p>moreover, a 1350 old composite (my score) isn't awful--sure, it puts me at the bottom of the pile and i know that, so if you think you're being clever by pointing that out to me then congratulations on stating the obvious. </p>
<p>finally, i'm honestly flattered that you decided to go through and research my post history in order to find out why i suck. i guess swarthmore really does pick students who are good at reaching out to others.</p>
<p>ps: thanks for the little chances evaluation, but i didn't plan on applying to either bowdoin or your little bastion of academic excellence, swarthmore.</p>
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<p>Swarthmore hasn't done anything to you, and you don't know a thing about Swarthmore. And yet, you have no problem in insulting all swatties? </p>
<p>"learn to read"? "lighten up"? How about some manner?</p>