<p>Pomona doesn’t offer engineering.</p>
<p>It’s on the same Claremont campus as Harvey Mudd with trivial cross-registration. Pomona is an excellent choice for the OP. Actually, Harvey Mudd is a fair bit easier to get into, though by no means easy, so that’s an excellent choice also.</p>
<p>Many of the schools already mentioned do not have engineering progams. This kid sounds similar to my son who wanted a LAC with strong math and science (not interested in engineering though). I would suggest they look at LaFayette. Small, very strong engineering program, very generous merit aid. Univeristy of Rochester is a great school and Rochester is an interesting, small city. Bates has an engineering program, not much city life though. Tufts, while not a LAC, is a small university (about 5,000) with a great engineering program. Union College, outside Albany is worth a look as well. My son is currently at Swarthmore. If your friend is seriously interested they should visit, meet with faculty, do everything to they can to “show interest”. The Why Swat essay is critical.</p>
<p>The student is looking for matches and safeties.</p>
<p>I don’t think you can major in engineering as a Pomona student–he should check that.</p>
<p>Tough set of criteria since LAC’s don’t usually offer engineering, nor are they usually situated in cities.</p>
<p>Without engineering these schools come to mind: Occidental, Reed, Emerson, Fordham. Pitzer is a possibility too.</p>
<p>Not in a city and without engineering: Skidmore, Bard, Whitman.</p>
<p>Not in a city with engineering: Lafayette, Lehigh, Union (already said).</p>
<p>The only school that meets all the criteria mentioned is Tufts and it is not an easy get, but obviously worth applying to. I guess Swat is close enough to the city to qualify it, and it is obviously also a perfect match, but as the OP says, also a difficult get.</p>
<p>The only other school I can really see meeting all these requirements is Barnard. But alas, only for women. I have often thought that guys need their own Barnard.</p>
<p>Good luck to this interesting young man.</p>
<p>I would not advise Rose Hulman. It is very much an engineering school, and the music scene in Terre Haute is laughable.</p>
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All I know is that Harvey Mudd waitlisted my kid who got into Harvard and Carnegie Mellon SCS. </p>
<p>I agree that Rochester is a very good idea.</p>
<p>Take a look at Trinity University in San Antonio. Liberal Arts and they really tout their engineering options. SA meets the cultural and artistic criteria (and Austin is just up the interstate). There also are plenty of options for Spanish and Latin American exposure in SA. It seems your friend would be a match there.</p>
<p>The beach is about a 3 hour drive from SA, though there are lakes and rivers.</p>
<p>Looking at the criteria and concentrating on what you said about Swat engineering and the need for less selectivity , Trinity U (although completely different in campus feel and liberal-ness), might be what he wants. [Our</a> Program - Engineering Science at Trinity University](<a href=“http://www.trinity.edu/departments/engineering/Program.html]Our”>http://www.trinity.edu/departments/engineering/Program.html)</p>
<p>For other reach-y choices (not that you asked ;)) I’m also a fan of Harvey Mudd , primarily because I’m a fan of the consortium and campus. As a very casual observer, I can’t imagine a better place to mix hard-core Engineering with a traditional Liberal Arts flavor through cross-registration (although I don’t know how much time there would be for that). </p>
<p>BTW, I don’t consider Swat or Trinity U’s Engineering hard-core in the sense of Rose-Hulman, or HMC, or big state U Engineering. Also, it may be fruitful to consider SEAS at Penn and Fu at Columbia as I believe the selectivity for these programs may be “different” than the Uni as a whole. And they both have programs similar to what Swat offers.</p>
<p>“It’s on the same Claremont campus as Harvey Mudd with trivial cross-registration. Pomona is an excellent choice for the OP. Actually, Harvey Mudd is a fair bit easier to get into, though by no means easy, so that’s an excellent choice also.”</p>
<p>Fair bit easier to get into? What is that based on? Pomona and Harvey Mudd accept different kinds of students, more than half the students who get into Pomona wouldn’t be accepted at Harvey Mudd because they aren’t science/math/engineering types. If you’re looking at the admit rates, clearly Harvey Mudd has a self-selecting application pool and Pomona attracts a broader range of students, driving down its admit rate. Harvey Mudd in fact has slightly higher test scores and NMFs, so what at all suggests that Harvey Mudd is a ‘fair bit easier to get into?’</p>
<p>How ya liking HMC, Suin? How easy is cross-registration to language classes at Scripps for the Op’s friend’s kid? Pomona is “picky” and limiting in the number of classes you can take there IIRC from several years ago, but the rest of cross-registration seemed easy to my D when she was considering Scripps (she was a science geek) and came for a scholarship week-end.</p>
<p>And chill a little. The observation was probably based on acceptance/admit rates and HMC clearly has a self-selecting population compared to Pomona. And, anyway, my D seemed to be taken with some latin phrase she saw on T-shirts on campus at HMC and Scripps. What was it again? Puck Fomona? I haven’t been able to find a translation. ;)</p>
<p>It was the admit rate that suggested it. 34% to 16%. For someone who really wants to be in claremont and study hard science and math, it’s worth considering Harvey Mudd as an alternative to Pomona. I didn’t mean to imply “easy” to get into, I meant statistically, easier. </p>
<p>No offense intended to HMC.</p>
<p>Pitt, Boston University, Northeastern, URochester, Tufts (reachy), Virginia Tech, WPI, Rensselaer, GWU, UMD. Personally, I wouldn’t pay American prices for an engineering program with UMD. Better to go to UMD in the first place. Not all are urban, but are good fits for his scores.</p>
<p>I took “coastal” to mean east or west, rather than specifically by the beach. :)</p>
<p>FWIW, per post #2 ,Trinity College in Hartford, CT is an Eastern (not coast) LAC, in a city, which has engineering, and is easier to get into than the initial list. Don’t know that there’s a “vibrant arts scene” in Hartford,though, he might check.</p>
<p>“Bates has an engineering program,…”</p>
<p>?? It offers a 3-2 program with participating engineering colleges, lots of LACs do. But so far as I can see it doesn’t have engineering itself, like Union Or Trinity do.</p>
<p>Here are some lists of colleges that have 3-2 arrangements :
[Affiliated</a> Liberal Arts Colleges and Universities | Columbia University Office of Undergraduate Admissions](<a href=“http://www.studentaffairs.columbia.edu/admissions/engineering/combined/affils.php]Affiliated”>http://www.studentaffairs.columbia.edu/admissions/engineering/combined/affils.php)
<a href=“http://engineering.wustl.edu/dualdegreeschools.aspx[/url]”>http://engineering.wustl.edu/dualdegreeschools.aspx</a>
<a href=“http://engineering.dartmouth.edu/undergraduate/dual/[/url]”>http://engineering.dartmouth.edu/undergraduate/dual/</a>
<a href=“http://admissions.rpi.edu/transfer/affiliate_schools.html[/url]”>http://admissions.rpi.edu/transfer/affiliate_schools.html</a></p>
<p>IMO there are several disincentives and disadvantages to actually following through with such a combined plan program,and I thnk most students don’t. But if he wants to take that risk he can.</p>
<p>Some great ideas here! Didn’t know about the 3-2 engineering programs. What are the disincentives, monydad? I know with a law 3-2 program I was looking at for ds2 that just because there’s an affiliation it doesn’t mean you really get a leg up for admissions into, in this instance, Columbia. Is that what you mean?</p>
<p>There’s family money so that’s not really an issue, it appears. I just flat-out asked the friend whether that means they won’t be applying for FA and am awaiting an answer.</p>
<p>I think of Rose-Hulman and Case as too narrow for this kid. Truthfully, I wonder whether the engineering track is really more the parents’ thinking and not the kid’s. I think he’s the typical, bright 17yo boy who has lots of talents and interests but hasn’t settled on a direction just yet.</p>
<p>Hadn’t thought about DC schools. Will look at those.</p>
<p>Pitt and Rochester have piqued my interest. Will investigate those.</p>
<p>CMU is a school I’m determined to get some kid I know into, but for this kid I’d still consider it a reach, don’t ya think?</p>
<p>Given me lots to look at. Thanks and keep this ideas coming.</p>
<p>“What are the disincentives, monydad?”</p>
<p>I wasn’t intending to advocate these, since I don’t much like them, but just if someone is listing Bates there are a great # of similar choices.</p>
<p>Here are some thoughts, I get tired of repeating:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/oberlin-college/859076-engineering.html?[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/oberlin-college/859076-engineering.html?</a></p>
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As to narrow - Rose-Hulman , maybe yes (it was for my D). Case Western, no. Case is a full-tilt small Uni. </p>
<p>What about JHU (Hopkins)? Might fit a lot better than some of the schools being mentioned.</p>
<p>YDS is looking for matches and safeties, how can JHU or even Case be safeties for this kid? The SAT stands at 2090, which is smack in the fringe of all ranking 20-30 schools. JHU certainly is a reach, Case is a maybe. UCSC is a match for shure but why UCSC? is the surfing that important ? I would suggest UCD, UCSD and Cal Poly SLO for matches and these are better schools for this kid in California anyway, if he did not mind to pay oos tuitions. For safeties in Cal. it would be CSU SD or SJState.</p>
<p>UCSC probably made the cut because there’s family in the area and the parents, I think, are alums.</p>