<p>^^ i can see where Northstarmom is coming from...some prospective engineering student may choose harvard over MIT now because of the cost and the fact that they could take all the high level engineering classes at MIT...</p>
<p>Maybe not those who are really into MIT. The atmosphere there is different than Harvard's, and cross registration still won't give a student an MIT experience if he really wants it.</p>
<p>so assuming Harvard will have good yield this year, do you think this will affect other ivies ( Colum,Brown,Penn etc) Yield? I mean those Ivies yield will proportionately be lower. do you think they will take more students this year in the RD than previous year?</p>
<p>The trickle-down effect seems to be this: "Lesser" (I do not mean for this to be a perjorative term, but I'm sure everyone here is intelligent enough to understand what I mean by this) Ivies and other highly selective colleges will accept more students while increasing the numbers on the waitlist. Harvard and Yale's yields will definitely increase due to each school's respective financial aid announcements. </p>
<p>To put it simply, I would call it the "defensive admissions" approach - all schools will over or underpredict their yields, put more students on their waitlists, and then accept them over the summer until the target class size is reached.</p>
<p>Something some MIT-liking students will consider when they decide whether or not to apply to Harvard: </p>
<p>so xjayz HYP or HY will be most competetive ever?
Also it saids Low income and URM applications went up. Do you think they will more likly to compete with each other for a spot and FA or will the school increase the numbers singnificantly? These schools will also want students who can pay full tuition too right? so would No need for FA students have a little advantage now? thanks</p>
<p>Difficult to know about the longterm effects on transfer rates, but my guess is that there are not major decreases or increases in transfer rates THIS year, since transfer student class sizes are only partially affected by freshman entrance rates. The more important factor is upper class housing space.</p>
<p>This probably has a lot to do with the fact that the '12 students are children of the baby boomer generation. As in their grandparents decided they all wanted to make babies at the same time and now their grandchildren are suffering the consequences of the increase in applicant numbers. </p>
<p>Sad.</p>
<p>Jmom: I don't know about that -- I think all colleges will do the same thing, trying to find the best kids to create the best class possible.</p>
<p>thanks xjayz. anyone else?</p>
<p>wow projected rate of 7%. that's crazy. i'm feeling really lucky right now to have a likely letter on my desk</p>
<p>"These schools will also want students who can pay full tuition too right? so would No need for FA students have a little advantage now? thanks"</p>
<p>No. Harvard had and still has need-blind admissions.</p>
<p>so are they willing to pay for all the students? I am sure they are financially capable but honestly will they be willing?
what about at lower Ivies and stanford? anyone</p>
<p>I'm guessing this is better for people with unique applications, whether by essays or interviews (more stress on the former).</p>
<p>Well, unique applications never hurt in the first place...</p>
<p>I should have said it accentuates such profiles. The adcoms would now have to pick their "spots" more effectively than before (although admittedly that was hard enough to begin with lol) in order to produce the diverse pool they want, that's what I was trying to get at.</p>
<p>what is an example of unique application besides from like winning the olympics? also not all students accepted will have intel,TASP,...
Will like an Asian loving classics be a part of unique application?</p>
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<p>If a college says it's need-blind, I believe that it doesn't provide an admission tip to students who are full-pay students. Some colleges don't say so (but not most of those mentioned in this thread so far), and for those colleges it is definitely an advantage for admission to be able to pay full list price. Harvard, Stanford, etc. do NOT mean to give any tip at all to students from families prosperous enough to be able to pay full list price.</p>
<p>I think we are getting back to the post last year that suggested a process by which all qualified candidates are chosen by lottery...Not personally involved with Harvard, but IMO an estimate of 7% is purely ridiculous if a significant majority of those applying are essentially qualified.and could succeed...(and I would further suggest that Yale, Princeton and Stanford participate in this hyopothetical joint lottery, as well as the other "like" schools)......</p>
<p>"so are they willing to pay for all the students? I am sure they are financially capable but honestly will they be willing?"</p>
<p>J mom, whether a student requests for financial aid or not is clearly indicated in the application. I think if two students are almost idential in terms of their stats, the one who can afford to pay full list price will be chosen. As a private institution, tuition still constitues the majority of their income. I've never read Harvard's financial statement to know exactly what percentage it is.</p>