Regional Stereotypes Involving College Selection

<p>Haha.</p>

<p>More assumptions! I'm not from the Northeast! I was born in the midwest and, as an student and/or adult, have lived in the midwest, the northeast, the deep south, South East Asia, Europe and Oceania. </p>

<p>I prefer private universities in great cities. Texas has Rice--but it's in Houston, one of my least favorite cities on earth. I did go to university in places that were vastly different to the places I grew up in.</p>

<p>When S1 was thinking about a certain type of engineering, he considered UT and UMich. (DH is a huge alternative country fan, so he was pretty thrilled about Austin). S subsequently switched his focus to international relations and UT dropped off the radar.</p>

<p>Marite, Of course I thought of our own Soozievt when she was telling me the story. I had to laugh because this was the teacher who all last year kept telling ME that I was a worry wart while my daughter was struggling through AP euro.</p>

<p>My daughter has a pretty open mind about where she's looking for colleges. She has admitted, however, that she hasn't seen much of the U.S. so this is as good an excuse as any to see some of the rest of the country that she hasn't yet been exposed to. I don't have a problem with where ever she ends up...I'm originally from NY, spent time in Miss. when we were first married, have lived in Calif. for the past 20 years, and have traveled on business throughout the midwest and most of the south. Haven't been to the Pacific Northwest yet, though. Secretly, I keep hoping that's where my daughter will end up. :)</p>

<p>Both husband and I were born and raised in Ca. We have never lived anywhere else. I love where I live and would love to one day have my children and their future children live here again but for now I would encourage her to see and live in another part of the country. One thing we have noticed is that she gets the why would you want to leave Ca and go east and be cold from the transplanted easterners who we know.</p>

<p>Mom60 - Yes, my daughter's paternal grandparents - both Occidental College grads who sent their children to Calif. colleges - don't understand why their granddaughter would even consider looking at colleges outside of California. I believe they blame me, their northeastern-born daughter-in-law who they have never really trusted all these years for putting the evil idea into her head. :)</p>

<p>"I'm sure he would be only too happy to have the luxury of prefering one kind of weather or politics over another, but we've got to worry about academic programs and money. And even the money will probably have to go out the window, as he knows he'll have to go into debt, most likely, to have any chance of getting what he wants. Are we just living in a different universe?"</p>

<p>No, CTY, you are not necessarily living in a different universe, but have a kid with different needs. My oldest is a music performance major. The most important criteria to him was who he was going to study with. Didn't matter where that person was, or the weather, or anything else. He ended up applying to schools in TX, OH, NY and MA. In searching for a school, he found no school that had everything he wanted. However, son #2 is not that specific. He wanted to major in biology. There are lots of schools with great biology programs. So he could focus on other things that were also important to him - size of school, weather, location, money, etc. #2 is much more like most of the kids on this board. If you can afford to be picky, you might as well. However, your child is very focused on only a few programs and you have to throw a lot of other stuff out the window when you do that.</p>

<p>Criteria our kid had (we suppose) Top down selection methodlogy
1. At least 3 hour fly time. (far enough where driving is impractical and we can't visit in a reasonable amount of time) Which elminates West Coast to at least east of Denver.</p>

<ol>
<li><p>At least one connection. Which puts him past Chicago. He really likes to visit airports. And affords different routes. with good connections.</p></li>
<li><p>Airport at school must have reasonable access. This eliminated some New England Ivy's and alot of 1st tier schools.</p></li>
<li><p>Southern schools were eliminated because of culture, lack of seasonality, and terrain sameness. </p></li>
<li><p>At least 100 miles from NYC. (uncle lives there, although he likes him.)</p></li>
<li><p>Quality of school.</p></li>
</ol>

<p>It's all a matter of elimination. Takes the guess work out of the college search. It works! Suggest it to your kid. Your child will thankyou for the help and relieves the pressure on the family.</p>

<p>curmudgeon - 4 more years of Bush and DeLay and Texas (okay, Oklahoma too) may be the only state where it is cool to be from Texas. <grin></grin></p>

<p>Actually, at my selective LAC in the 70s we thought the Texas girls at our school were cool and the Texas guys were annoying. Small-sample problems with that observation though. . .</p>

<p>Shennie...I can relate, as the same situation exists for my second child. </p>

<p>Carolyn, so now I know that folks in your neck of the woods might be wondering if folks like me are "normal" or not! LOL</p>

<p>Susan</p>

<p>itstoomuch, I hope your kid found what they were looking for. I also hope they found a topographical map of the United States. LOL. D has the same desire to be far enough from home that we can't visit. She asked the other day if we would visit her campus on Parent's Day, and I don't know but I may have detected a hint of pique when I responded too quickly with "certainly".</p>

<p>There are some logistical considerations though, aren't there? Vehicles taken to school and airports present some choices. I don't want to sound as regionally biased as some but what do kids do with their car, if they brought one, over winter break? How do they get the darn thing over there in the first place? And are they really that useful at Carleton or Colgate? In February? If not , why would I be I giving my insurance company $1800 a year when D could use that money on a full array of stylish Northface or REI clothing and an ice ax? Do they just abandon there poor cars, or if it's a Texan -their poor pickup or Sport Ute, at the campus or the airport for weeks ? </p>

<p>When I told my partner about D's college thoughts he immediately said,"Make sure its near a Southwest airlines served city, or you're a deadman".Then showed me no advance purchase fares to some of the smaller New England and Midwest airports. Jeez . I wanted to buy a ticket , not make a note payment on the plane . </p>

<p>For those of us whose flying careers are strictly for planned vacations, we tend to forget that no or short advance purchase fares can be well above $1000, even for relatively short hops. That could add substantial dollars to the overall costs of attendance depending on the circumstances and your definition of emergency. (Mine might be lower than the norm, hence D's newfound fascination for The University of Rejcavik.) It has made us look more closely at schools near hub airports. It is probably more appropriate for another thread but if you veterans of 2000 mile hot to cold college choices have any advice, I'd be happy to hear it.</p>

<p>BTW, I anticipate that I will receive responses criticizing D's desire to have her vehicle at college. Her research on those student review-type websites(now those can be frightening) has led her to believe that at the extremely rural campuses she prefers, a car is a most worthwhile accessory.</p>

<p>Interesting thread. I may have regional preferences but my kids do not. My son is interested in colleges in PA, upstate NY, VT, and Washington state. Frankly, if I had my druthers I would like him within a 3 hour drive from here but not any city. I really dislike cities. But that's definately my prejudice, not his. When we visited Drexel and I asked him what he would think of living in a city he said, "Looks okay but it might be kind of noisy." He's really just looking at programs and how that would lead him to what he might want to do. </p>

<p>BTW, daughters tiny school in Illinois has 92% out of state students and 12% international. When she talks about driving from PA to school and says she might catch a ride with someone from around our area meaning someone from CT to VA!</p>

<p>Kathiep -- which school is she at?</p>

<p>Here in Chicago, the seasons run thus:
Long torrid humid summer
One week of fall
Three days of Indian summer
Long cold winter
An afternoon of spring</p>

<p>I will say that you learn to distinguish and maybe even love the many facets of winter. I actually really like very, very cold days (under 15 degrees) that come with bright sun and blue blue skies. I prefer these to wet, gray damp cold that is ten or fifteen degrees "warmer."</p>

<p>Curmudge -- Carleton doesn't allow any cars on campus. I wonder if any other small LACS have a similar rule.</p>

<p>Reed allows cars and they are smaller than my younger daughters high school, but many students don't have cars. Indeed a big perk of Reed for my daughter was the fabulous public transportation , in and around Portland. She doesn't need a car in town or to get to school ( she takes the train if she isn't getting a ride)</p>

<p>To the person who said that Northeasterners say, "Who are your people?" I've never heard that one before....(although if someone's from a well-off or famous family they let you know within the first 2 minutes of conversation I've found......in Manhattan anyway...).....but there is more of "what do you do?" (or "husband do?") I think than down here .....where we live its considered rude and/or nosy to ask that.....when we lived in NJ that was the very first question someone asked......almost as if they were trying to figure out where you were on the breadwinning food chain!</p>

<p>So what happens with their car insurance when they go to school and can't/don't take the car? Does the insurance premium go down?</p>

<p>I agree with some of the posters that being a comfortable distance from home (say a four-hour drive or a nonstop short flight from a major airport) plays some role in regional preferences. But I also think there’s a certain oversimplification in people’s view of regions. After all college towns are often special places no matter what state they’re in, and many states have highly varied sociopolitical personalities in any case. Madison, for example, was a center of student activism barely a decade after Senator Joe McCarthy scarily symbolized the state of Wisconsin to most outsiders. Vermont back roads are still punctuated by Take Back Vermont signs (often on rundown barns or trees adjacent to scrubby pastures), emphatic reminders that not everyone even in that very blue state is a fan of civil unions, or an affluent former city dweller. (It should also be noted that Vermont’s present governor is a moderate Republican and only one of its senators is a Democrat.) And anyone who visited a North Carolina or Virginia college town this fall surely would have noticed how many Kerry/Edwards signs and stickers there were on lawns and cars. </p>

<p>Furthermore, as other posters have noted but not enough people in general seem to accept, being liberal or Democratic or northern doesn’t make you a good person or good neighbor any more than being conservative or Republican or southern makes you stupid or racist or mean. Coming from the Midwest doesn’t make you stolidly provincial any more than coming from New Jersey makes you a big-haired mall rat. Although I sometimes find Mini’s entitlement index emphasis annoying, I would suggest to posters and readers that all the schools on that list are centers of extraordinary entitlement in ways beyond the material and that the parents of many students at those schools would be comfortable having dinner together, no matter what their state of origin or their political registration; they share certain expectations in terms of behavior and educational goals and it is quite possible to want the similar things in life, for one’s children, even for the world, without agreeing on the best means to achieve them. </p>

<p>And if someone would to start a car-on-campus thread, that would be interesting, too.</p>

<p>When students are only on insurance for say summers, it does go down. Depends on ins company, I suppose how much.</p>

<p>( I didn't say that ALL New Englanders said that, I said that my friends who are from back East commented that, that is pretty standard- just their experience)</p>

<p>There are stereotypes of all parts of country that are probably true enough for someone at some point but wouldn't necessarily be a college students experience. I know several students attending school in Redlands CA for example college there and love it. NIce area, supportive school... but the young man I know who is from there hates it. Very insular and homogeneous in his view.</p>

<p>This thread is interesting. DD really wants to go to college where the weather is more "moderate" than in New England where we live. We did some visits, and a couple of her top choices were College of Charleston and U of South Carolina (along with Davidson and Southern Methodist University). BUT this past week there was an article in the newspapers re: the status of women in states (including DC). SC was 50/51 in the area of women's issues....not a very impressive showing (only Mississippi was lower). Her comment "do I really want to go to college in a state where women fare so poorly?" A good question!!</p>

<p>Thumper1......how do they measure the status of women in southern states?.....IMHO, women are viewed very differently "down here" as opposed to "up north"......My husband and I both find it disturbing as we have one daughter..</p>

<p>The New York Times
November 18, 2004
Republicans Outnumbered in Academia, Studies Find
By JOHN TIERNEY</p>

<p>BERKELEY, Calif. - At the birthplace of the free speech movement, campus radicals have a new target: the faculty that came of age in the 60's. They say their professors have been preaching multiculturalism and diversity while creating a political monoculture on campus.</p>

<p>Conservatism is becoming more visible at the University of California here, where students put out a feisty magazine called The California Patriot and have made the Berkeley Republicans one of the largest groups on campus. But here, as at schools nationwide, the professors seem to be moving in the other direction, as evidenced by their campaign contributions and two studies being published on Nov. 18.</p>

<p>One of the studies, a national survey of more than 1,000 academics, shows that Democratic professors outnumber Republicans by at least seven to one in the humanities and social sciences. That ratio is more than twice as lopsided as it was three decades ago, and it seems quite likely to keep increasing, because the younger faculty members are more consistently Democratic than the ones nearing retirement, said Daniel Klein, an associate professor of economics at Santa Clara University and a co-author of the study.</p>

<p>In a separate study of voter registration records, Professor Klein found a nine-to-one ratio of Democrats to Republicans on the faculties of Berkeley and Stanford. That study, which included professors from the hard sciences, engineering and professional schools as well as the humanities and social sciences, also found the ratio especially lopsided among the younger professors of assistant or associate rank: 183 Democrats versus 6 Republicans.</p>

<p>The political imbalance on faculties has inspired a campaign to have state legislatures and Congress approve an "academic bill of rights" protecting students and faculty members from discrimination for their political beliefs. The campaign is being led by Students for Academic Freedom, a group with chapters at Berkeley and more than 135 other campuses. It was founded last year by the leftist-turned-conservative David Horowitz, who helped start the 1960's antiwar movement while a graduate student at Berkeley.</p>

<p>"Our goal is not to have the government dictate who's hired but to take politics out of the hiring process and the classroom," said Mr. Horowitz, who called the new studies the most compelling evidence yet of hiring bias. "Right now, conservative students are discouraged from pursuing scholarly careers, because they see very clearly that their professors consider Republicans to be the enemy."</p>

<p>Academic leaders have resisted his group's legislative proposal, saying that discrimination is rare and already forbidden, and they dispute the accusations of faculty bias. Robert J. Birgeneau, the chancellor of Berkeley, said that he was not sure if the new study of his faculty accurately reflected the professors' political leanings, and that these leanings were irrelevant anyway.</p>

<p>"The essence of a great university is developing and sharing new knowledge as well as questioning old dogma," Dr. Birgeneau said. "We do this in an environment which prizes academic freedom and freedom of expression. These principles are respected by all of our faculty at U.C. Berkeley, no matter what their personal politics are."</p>

<p>Professors at Berkeley and other universities provided unprecedented financial support for the Democratic Party this election. For the first time, universities were at the top of the list of organizations ranked by their employees' contributions to a presidential candidate, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonpartisan group. </p>

<p>In first and second place, ahead of Time Warner, Goldman Sachs and Microsoft, were the University of California system and Harvard, whose employees contributed $602,000 and $340,000, respectively, to Senator John Kerry. At both universities, employees gave about $19 to the Kerry campaign for every dollar for the Bush campaign. </p>

<p>One theory for the scarcity of Republican professors is that conservatives are simply not that interested in academic careers. A Democrat on the Berkeley faculty, George P. Lakoff, who teaches linguistics and is the author of "Moral Politics: How Liberals and Conservatives Think," said that liberals choose academic fields that fit their world views. "Unlike conservatives," he said, "they believe in working for the public good and social justice, as well as knowledge and art for their own sake, which are what the humanities and social sciences are about."</p>

<p>Some non-Democrats prefer to attribute the imbalance to the structure of academia, which allows hiring decisions and research agendas to be determined by small, independent groups of scholars. These fiefs, the critics say, suffer from a problem described in The Federalist Papers: an autonomous "small republic" is prone to be dominated by a cohesive faction that uses majority voting to "outnumber and oppress the rest," in Madison's words. </p>

<p>"Our colleges have become less marketplaces of ideas than churches in which you have to be a true believer to get a seat in the pews," said Stephen H. Balch, a Republican and the president of the National Association of Scholars. "We've drifted to a secular version of 19th-century denominational colleges, in which the university's mission is to crusade against sin and make the country a morally better place."</p>

<p>Dr. Balch's organization of what he calls traditional scholars is publishing the two new faculty studies in its journal, Academic Questions (online at <a href="http://www.nas.org%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.nas.org&lt;/a&gt;). In one study, Professor Klein and Charlotta Stern, a sociologist at the Institute for Social Research in Sweden, asked the members of scholars' professional associations which party's candidates they had mostly voted for over the previous decade. </p>

<p>The ratio of Democratic to Republican professors ranged from 3 to 1 among economists to 30 to 1 among anthropologists. The researchers found a much higher share of Republicans among the nonacademic members of the scholars' associations, which Professor Klein said belied the notion that nonleftists were uninterested in scholarly careers. </p>

<p>"Screened out, expelled or self-sorted, they tend to land outside of academia because the crucial decisions - awarding tenure and promotions, choosing which papers get published - are made by colleagues hostile to their political views," said Professor Klein, who classifies himself as a libertarian. </p>

<p>Martin Trow, an emeritus professor of public policy at Berkeley who was chairman of the faculty senate and director of the Center for Studies in Higher Education, said that professors tried not to discriminate in hiring based on politics, but that their perspective could be warped because so many colleagues shared their ideology.</p>

<p>"Their view comes to be seen not as a political preference but what decent, intelligent human beings believe," said Dr. Trow, who calls himself a conservative. "Debate is stifled, and conservatives either go in the closet or get to be seen as slightly kooky. So if a committee is trying to decide between three well-qualified candidates, it may exclude the conservative because he seems like someone who has poor judgment."</p>

<p>The students' magazine, The California Patriot, has frequently criticized Berkeley for the paucity of conservative views and for cases of what it has called discrimination against conservative students.</p>

<p>"I'm glad to get the liberal perspective, but it would be nice to get the other side, too," said Kelly Coyne, the editor of the magazine and a senior majoring in political science. "I'm really having a hard time finding courses my last year. I don't want to spend another semester listening to lectures about victims of American oppression."</p>

<p>Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company |</p>

<p>to usmominuk</p>

<p>i go to school in PA - although that's not as NE as many schools, the weather this year has been for the most part, very warm. we've had a few very random cold days, but most of it so far has been sweatshirt/hoodie wearing days.. i think i've worn my winter coat like three days so far. its been sort of rainy at times this season, and i have a feeling we're going to have a decently snowy winter. it doesnt really impact student l ife here.. we all own an umbrella :)</p>

<p>as for smoking in the dorms, at my school, there are a few dorms you can smoke in.. maybe like two or three? I know in my freshman dorm we took a vote - smoking allowed or smoking not allowed. we decided people could smoke in their room, only if their roommate agreed on it. if there was any problems, smoking wasnt allowed anymore. i also go to school on a dry campus - no alcohol on campus anywhere (this is enforced). i was up at penn state a few weekends ago and its so weird to see people walking along the streets drinking a beer, to see people sitting in their dorms drinking a beer.. because that stuff is definately not allowed here.</p>

<p>as for websites showing what the school is really like, i think my colleges website (<a href="http://www.ycp.edu%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.ycp.edu&lt;/a&gt;) accurrately represents my school.. i love it here.</p>