Do you seriously believe that a fifty point difference in real vs. reported SAT scores makes a difference in academic quality of the student body?</p>
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This reads like a conspiracy theory. I doubt the Emory Wheel changed websites because of the rankings issue. When I was applying to colleges, I looked at each schools’ newspaper’s website. The website for the Emory Wheel simply paled in comparison to even the websites of small LACs’ newspapers, so it makes sense that they changed platforms. FWIW, the old website was available last month, but I believe the Wheel is trying to integrate the archives into the current site. </p>
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And how do you propose they monitor this? Should they require all internationals to come to the US for a proctored SAT and TOEFL interview? Btw the new SAT rules should cut down on this (just the fact that the collegeboard had to implement them shows it wasn’t an Emory specific issue).</p>
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Which is something that many universities, including some lesser state flagships like UIUC do. Also, I went to the house of an alumni during Dinner for 12 (something that all Emory students should do at least once before graduating), and she mentioned that part of the purpose of these events is to boost Emory’s international prestige since most internationals are only aware of MIT, Stanford, Berkeley, UCLA, and Harvard. </p>
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Could it also be that Emory wants to have an economically diverse student body? Currently of the top 50 privates, Emory has the second highest percent of Pell Grant recipients. Emory, despite what the protesters may imply, IS an institution that values diversity in all of its forms. One way to preserve diversity is by committing to a need blind, full need admissions policy. On a tangential note, most Emory students think that while Wagner could have chosen a better example, or at least acknowledged that slavery is abhorrent, protesting it is excessive.</p>
<p>Yes, the SAT scores are a huge deal. Emory marketed itself to students who were too bright to benefit from the education provided. Even the president of the University admits that the financial aid is needed to attract students. “He also said that the University is experiencing financial urgency due to a significant increase in financial aid, but will continue to offer need blind financial aid in order to attract the best possible incoming class.” The financial aid commitments are an unsustainable waste over the long term. They don’t even buy the University good standing with liberal media publications like the New York Times. The Emory administration should not pat themselves on the back about giving away others people’s money, when they are embroiled in multiple scandals.</p>
<p>What makes a better news story, talking about how Emory was ranked one of the best value universities in the nation or reporting on an editorial that some deem racist, others not, that the president of an extremely well respected university published?</p>
<p>For the record, financial aid is all about “giving away other people’s money”. One of Emory’s selling points is that it’s extremely economically diverse, with the vast majority of domestic students receiving some sort of financial aid. If you wanted to go to a school that doesn’t believe in redistributing money for financial aid, you should have gone to NYU. There you and your full pay peers could have congratulated yourself on your parents’ financial prudence while watching your less wealthy peers struggle under the weight of $41,000 in student loans (and that’s not counting the ones their parents took out). </p>
<p>Also, a university can congratulate themselves for generous financial aid practices while dealing with other scandals. Just look at Harvard’s cheating scandal, or the Naval Academy’s multiple drug busts. I think a far larger scandal would be allowing its students to graduate with such obscenely high debt levels that they cannot hope to settle down or pursue interesting jobs. Emory, to the best of its ability, tries to prevent this from happening, and if that means closing a, quite frankly poor grad school in Spanish, so be it. </p>
<p>FWIW, I was disappointed by the cuts in the econ and visual arts department, and believe, solely on the basis of the faculty no confidence vote, that Wagner needs to go.</p>
<p>A 30 points difference on the SAT or a 1 pt difference on the ACT means almost nothing. For the SAT that’s the difference between one or two more questions missed. The first time I took the SAT I earned a 770 on the critical reading section. Do you honestly believe that a student who scored an 800 on it is a significantly better reader than I am? Maybe he just knew that one extra obscure vocab word, or skipped a question when I bubbled in the incorrect answer. </p>
<p>If it was revealed that Emory’s SAT scores were inflated by 400 points, then yes, as a potential applicant, I’d be concerned. But a 30 point difference. Please. Anyone who’d be turned off by that score, and thinks himself vastly more intelligent than those plebeians who only scored better than 97% of all test takers, should look in the mirror to find out who the stupid one is.</p>
<p>One final note. The senior vice provost of Oklahoma State, an institution that gets students from both ends of the academic spectrum, wrote an article basically lambasting the supposedly predictive effect of SAT scores on academic success. [Our</a> Fractured Meritocracy - The Conversation - The Chronicle of Higher Education](<a href=“http://chronicle.com/blogs/conversation/2012/12/12/our-fractured-meritocracy/]Our”>http://chronicle.com/blogs/conversation/2012/12/12/our-fractured-meritocracy/) The UCs, which are designed for the best California high school graduates, also found a low correlation between college GPA and standardized scores. Far more important, they discovered, were rigor of coursework and overall GPA. In UC Berkeley’s opinion the 2300 SAT 3.2 UC GPA student will likely do far worse than another applicant with an 1800 SAT, 4.5 UC GPA. The former did extremely well on a four hour test. The latter did extremely well for 6 semesters worth of teachers with various expectations.</p>
<p>Going to your state’s flagship isn’t much of a disadvantage than going to someplace like Emory. The name of your school barely matters in this country if you go to a top 50. We don’t live in China or England last I checked. We live in a country where the community college graduates can go on to have very successful careers and Harvard students could end up homeless (even if they didn’t do any drugs or drink or commit any crime). I frankly don’t give a tinker’s ^%$# whether you went to UCLA, Stanford, UF, Tufts, Penn State, Emory, or University of Wisconsin–Madison.</p>
<p>Not necessarily, ExpendableAsset. While CC grads could potentially make a lot of money, those who go to top colleges do tend to make quite a bit more money, on average.</p>
<p>Before they fire Wagner, I want everybody on that board of trustees to testify that they are linguistically immaculate and have never made any stupid mistakes in speech or said something that took on a meaning they didn’t intend. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.</p>
<p>Also, I will bet $100 that Wagner actually believes that slavery is abhorrent and didn’t mean to inflame any racial tensions by his comment.</p>
<h2>Also, the University’s admissions department turned a blind eye towards people in foreign countries that paid other people to take the SAT for them.</h2>
<p>Very good. You are accusing hundreds of international students here.</p>
<p>Emory is an awesome school man, congrats on your acceptance. In regards to the nay-sayers, the people that know less than others often yell the loudest;)</p>
<p>WhenWhen: Classic statements from some folks lol.</p>
<p>In summation: “If I would have known that Emory’s Average SAT was below 1400, I would not have come”</p>
<p>Yaah for elitism! I knew we had to have some of those on campus. I mean seriously, even with the change, the average is still like a ridiculous 1350-1370. A level headed person who was aware that the SAT average is like 1000 would be less put off by this (other than the fact they will be surrounded by a crap ton of really great test-takers and smart folks). Even those in the 75% could benefit from Emory academics if they want to. Like many already do, all they need to do is take classes where the prof. does not really target the “average” (most who could handle if they tried), but instead tries to challenge everyone. These courses exist in abundant amounts. Whether or not people take them is another story.</p>
<p>I do agree with you that students should be able to look at other schools despite an ed or ed2 acceptance because of this recent scandal. If the student sees the 30-40 points as a big deal or is simply disgusted with the school and its administration, who is emory to castigate a 17 yr old by blacklisting him/her to other schools for simply changing his/her mind when administrators lied and cheated for 10 YEARS. Talk about hypocrisy.</p>
<p>I have a child who is class of '10 and now in med school and a child who is a sophomore and was just accepted to the B school. I also have another child who graduated from an Ivy. I am a big Emory fan and can tell you that the extra support my oldest received in the sciences combined with an internship at the Emory hospital is the reason she is in med school. Professors at Emory have been much more available than my Ivy child experienced. Lots of negative Emory in the press this year. I urge you to think about what YOU want and what is best for you. Atlanta has offered both of my kids amazing opportunities. Good luck!</p>
<p>There are occasionally times when I kind of regret applying ED as I watch all my other classmates get letters from all the colleges they applied to and weigh their options. I also read some negative comments and considered how many of us ED students are feeling neglected by the Emory admissions people. But in the end, once I start going to Emory, I’ll learn to adjust and accept that Emory was the place I was determined to go to and learn to enjoy my time there.</p>
<p>Don’t necessarily be too sure that you’ll have to “learn to accept it”. Often freshman year is pretty fun and you’ll likely find that you like it a lot. I feel that only in hindsight certain things are noticeable. And in my case, my hindsight deals with the attitudes and experience of others, not myself as much. My experience was really quite awesome to be honest. You just have to play your cards right to make sure the same happens for you and know that what everyone else does may not be the best for optimizing the Emory experience. If you go on the academic bandwagons, don’t be surprised to get a somewhat bland academic experience, but perhaps the same solid social life that others who take full advantage of the academics do. As in, one major part of your experience will end up lackluster…but some prefer this as they think that a very strong academic experience can take away from there social life. This isn’t the case if you are the good student that the admissions office believes you are.</p>