<p>Also Byerly I am not sure what you mean by the phrase "Another little piece of the Hargadon legacy chipped away".</p>
<p>If by that phrase you mean that Hargadon should be commended for leaving Princeton with the nation's highest median SAT scores (outside of technical schools MIT and CalTech) and contributing to Princeton's numerous top undergraduate rankings, then I agree with you.</p>
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Byerly is an alumni interviewer.</p>
<p>Umm ... do you have a link to support your claim that "Princeton has the nation's highest median SAT scores (outside of technical schools MIT and CalTech)" ?</p>
<p>That doesn't seem to square with numbers reported in USNews in any recent year.</p>
<p>You can also compare SAT medians for HYP (or any other schools) for 2002 and 2003 at THIS site: (Click on the "Main" dropdown tab on the right, and select "SAT and ACT detail")</p>
<p>So when are the numbers coming out?</p>
<p>Umm ... do you have a link to support your claim that "Princeton has the nation's highest median SAT scores (outside of technical schools MIT and CalTech)" ?</p>
<p>Mr. Byerly, I was tempted to say you'll have to trust me but - - -. Anyway, take a look at the appendix of the Early Admissions Game written by Harvard employee Chris Avery. It must have been difficult for him to publish the median SAT results putting Princeton at the top (with the noted exception). Did that get him into trouble with Mr. Summers?</p>
<p>Did you check this link?</p>
<p>if some "survey" or poll got a different number, than that would tend to argue that the poll or survey was inaccurate and unreliable to some degree. Moreover, if you read the footnotes to appendix A, you will see that the numbers they use are, in most cases, not true "medians." To see the 25/75% numbers, and also "medians, for ALL admits, (not just a survey sample) for 2002 and 2003, got to the site I linked.</p>
<p>Mr. B., Are you saying that Harvard's Mr. Avery may be inaccurate?</p>
<p>No. I'm saying that you didn't read carefully enough... particularly the footnotes to Appendix A.</p>
<p>Further, as I have said, the median DSAT numbers for all schools are reported at the website I gave you, and the 25/75% range are reported in all recent USNews rankings up to and including the 2005 edition.</p>
<p>Mr. B, Didn't Harvard's Mr. Avery entitle the Appendix A "Median SAT-I Scores ---- At Various Colleges"?
Was this then misleading? Did he not follow then the definition of median?
But isn't this the person whose work you have quoted so often?
Regards.</p>
<p>The 25/75% combined SAT score range as reported in the USNews rankings is derived by adding the 25% score of both the Verbal and Math components together and the 75% score of both the verbal and Math components together. It is not the true midrange of the combined SAT scores of the applicants.</p>
<p>Bye, the EDTRust data is also derived from averaging the the 25/75. Avery uses 1999-2000 data (I believe) but it is not their survey data. It is from ETS.</p>
<p>Using the numbers on the college board site (no year stated, but probably the most recent), I got : H:1495; Y:1480; P: 1465. This differs from the EDTrust numbers. I couldn't figure out why-maybe ETS is 2004 data. EdTrust is 03. I'm surprised by how much Y and P have fluctuated. 25 points is nothing for an individual, but significant for 1200 people.</p>
<p>Right, Right, I believe Harvard's Mr. Avery reported Median SAT scores as:</p>
<p>Princeton - 1490
H - 1485
Y - 1465</p>
<p>I give up.</p>
<p>I like how no one has managed to answer the original question yet...</p>
<p>But Mr. B, Did Harvard's Mr. Avery get into any kind of trouble for the publication of Princeton's stats?</p>
<p>P.S. Sorry, I know you've been taking heat over at the Dartmouth thread.</p>
<p>jambajukes, I believe the original question was answered in post #2</p>
<p>An answer to the original question:</p>
<p>They surely know the number, and have for a week or more. </p>
<p>What happens then is that a "story line" is crafted to put the number in the best possible light when issued. Sometimes this means playing up demographic details, or explaining them away (total number of apps compared to last year, % female, median SAT scores, % African American, % from North,South East or West, % from "economically disadvantages" families, etc. etc. etc.</p>
<p>Then this story has to be vetted, and all spokepersons trained to sing the same positive message.</p>
<p>(I'm not making fun of Princeton: the same process is followed everywhere. After a while, you get cynical about these admit stat stories.)</p>
<p>That said, it will be very strange if the information isn't released by Groundhog's Day.</p>
<p>Use this new link instead of the one in the post above.</p>
<p>alphadcd im pretty sure the previous year u were talking about was close to a record number of applicants =D my cousin was applying that year i could be wrong tho</p>