Rejected at Harvard, Prospects for Re-applying EA/Transfer?

<p>Hi everyone, I'm a high school senior that has been rejected from Harvard but has been blessed to receive a spot at a few other ivies and top schools . I have no doubt that I will enjoy my time at these schools, and I don't want my preoccupation with this other school to detract from my experiences wherever I enroll. However, I feel that I have reasons for still feeling that a Harvard undergraduate experience provides things that the others cannot that go beyond "prestige", including a focus on my academic and extra-curricular interests, student personality and "fit". The point of this thread, however, is that I would appreciate any thoughts on two options that I have from here.</p>

<p>Re-applying EA: I was accepted early at a school of comparable selectivity to Harvard, and several ivies RD, and therefore would have thought that I'd have a fair chance at Harvard this year. I was, however, rejected. For potentially competitive applicants, is there any hope for success in re-applying the next year? That Harvard has reinstated EA, therefore lessening the period of uncertainty, makes this option more appealing. It also opens up to two sub-options: Firstly, that I take a gap year to re-apply. Secondly (an option I prefer but wonder as to whether it would violate the rules of the college where I enroll), that I enroll as a college Freshman and apply EA in October for results in December. One question is whether Harvard requests for information on whether I'm currently enrolled as a college Freshman, or whether I could just apply as any other gap year student, and whether my current college would accept this. If accepted, I would leave my current college and have what would otherwise be a gap year. If rejected, I would continue in my current college, and have no regrets for having lost nothing in trying. In either case, my application has strengthened since applying RD to Harvard in December, with awards in March, hopefully positive exam results in May, and several ways to make use of my summer from June to September.</p>

<p>If I missed the mark for this year's RD as a competitive applicant accepted at comparably selective schools, I'd like to try my luck again, and even see if a somewhat improved application could garner acceptance. I wonder, however, whether Harvard almost never accepts those who re-apply over a "gap year" because they've been rejected already in the past -- or whether a different applicant pool (a different class to "shape") and a somewhat improved application could yield a different result (and what the history of such applicants has been).</p>

<p>Transfer application: There's much more information on CC about transferring than applying over a gap year or EA as a college Freshman. I'd appreciate thoughts on two things specifically: Firstly, are most successful transfer applicants people who didn't apply to Harvard from high school, and are thus getting their first read? Is Harvard reluctant to accept as transfers students who were already rejected for Freshman admission, lest transferring become a "back door", even if the applicant has shown considerable growth and proven successful at their current school? Are the transfer admissions officers even the same ones as for high school admissions?</p>

<p>Secondly, how are one's chances affected by transferring from a school already comparable to Harvard? Transfers are often justified as students pursue a superior quality education. If applying from another ivy/top school, however, transfers may be motivated not by "inferior" resources/faculty/academic environments, but matters of student personality, atmosphere and fit. Would that be a case that Harvard transfer admission would not be keen on accepting? Rather, are transfer admissions made on the basis of a student's merit, or reasons to transfer? If a student is excelling academically and extra-curricularly at one of Harvard's peer schools, would he be at a disadvantage from one applying from a lower tier school, or would it only confirm his being qualified to excel at Harvard as well?</p>

<p>This is all not to say that I do not feel extremely blessed with the results that this application cycle has given me. I will be happy with the school where I am enrolling this year, but feel that my specific interests, and especially my personality would make me a better fit, and be even happier at Harvard. At the very least, especially with nothing to lose, I want to give another shot at my dream college. I hope my motivations don't come off as misguided or immature. I'd just really, really appreciate any thoughts you guys can extend!</p>

<p>My apologies for the long, at times rambling post. I cannot stress enough how thankful I’d be to anyone tackling the many questions here. </p>

<p>I’d also be happy to be speak more openly about the school where I plan on enrolling to make my case more clearly, as well as my reasons for wanting to transfer mostly on the basis of personality and fit. (I know I’ll fall in love with this school, and will more than give it a chance, but again, would like to try another shot at the dream).</p>

<p>You definitely should not turn down your school in order to be able to apply to Harvard as an entering freshman. It was not clear if you were considering that.</p>

<p>It is probably easier to transfer to Harvard for a comparable place. However, transferring is tough. I think there are some years they don’t take anyone. I have heard of people getting in as a transfer after getting rejected. </p>

<p>I’m not sure about taking a gap year whether you could apply as an entering freshman. However, I don’t think it would help unless you did something significant.</p>

<p>I am commenting on your attending another school as a freshman, claiming “gap” year, and hoping to be accepted EA.</p>

<p>On your application, you indicated that everything on it is true. Should you be accepted EA, that lie could cost you your acceptance. Harvard has the right, at any time, to retract their acceptance or expel you if they find that you lied on your application. Do not do it.</p>

<p>I agree with collegealum that you should not turn down a great opportunity at another school for the small possibility of being accepted to Harvard next year. If you wish to continue to try and attend Harvard, do so as a transfer. I would prefer for you however, that you move on and put Harvard behind you and have wonderful undergraduate experience elsewhere. I am concerned for you that continuing to try for Harvard undergrad will take away from you undergrad years. There is always Harvard for grad school. (Son will be attending Harvard next year for a MS though he did not apply for undergrad.)</p>

<p>I think your path is frankly, foolhardy. You weren’t even offered a spot on the Waitlist. Now, you plan to up-end your life with a tiny shot at being at Harvard? Because you’ve determined in your mind that Harvard is SOOOO superior to all the other schools you’ve been accepted? Really?</p>

<p>Look: been there, done that. It’s not all that. Go enjoy your college in Sept. Don’t fetishize the Harvard name. It’s not all dat. Really. Frankly, it’s unseemly. Almost stalker-ish. Accept the results and move on. Please. You obviously have a lot to offer. Go offer it, in full, at your chosen school. Harvard is not going to make you nor are the other Ivies you’ve been accepted. You’ll make whatever school you attend.</p>

<p>OP, don’t do it.</p>

<p>When applying as a transfer, you’ll have to indicate why you think Harvard is a better option than your current school. Will you be able to answer in a way that makes you sound mature? From the contents of your post, I don’t think so. At this point, your best option is to attend a school that offered you admission and to get over Harvard. It’s not worth all this planning. Re-apply for graduate school.</p>

<p>Thank you for the responses. I do realize that this might seem to be an immature, knee-jerk reaction to a rejection that I still cannot accept, and am trying to take in all that’s been posted.</p>

<p>One thing I wish to clarify however is that my question regarding re-applying EA: Is there anything that states someone who is currently enrolled as a college Freshman cannot apply for Early Action? This might not be common, but looking over the Common App, I can’t find a part of it that prohibits that. EA does take place in October, before a student even receives any credit or ends the first semester (and before transfer admissions become an option in March). Would this not be violating any rules then (also: if one’s enrolling elsewhere is specified to Harvard)? In addition, could not significant achievements for an already competitive applicant between last December and this October do enough to get one in?</p>

<p>Dont let who you are be defined by where you go to college. </p>

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<p>Harvard can not only screw up in their admission process at undergrad level but as in the case of Harold Varmus, they had given him asinine advice on top of a rejection. As you can see, he tried something like you but still kept getting rejected by Harvard. He had to go to Columbia for his nobel prize winning medical education.</p>

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<p>As a Harvard student, I can tell you that Harvard is not even close to worth passing up another great school for this poorly planned scheme. They rejected you; it’s over. There are thousands of college students who are so, so glad they passed up Harvard. It’s time for you to become one of them.</p>

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<p>Ea action is not for current college students which if you are a freshman that is what you would be. How would they know? The answer is also a question. How are you going to explain what you have been doing with all your spare time since graduation? Don’t do it. Don’t try to lie. As for likelihood of being accepted after you were already rejected? That is truly very slim. If you were that close, you would have at least be waitlisted or z-listed. You were not. Enjoy the school you choose and move on.</p>

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<li><p>I am pretty certain that there is a question somewhere asking if you have ever been registered as a degree-seeking student at a college. If so, you have to apply as a transfer. The OP is not the first person to think of trying this.</p></li>
<li><p>Collegealum may have heard of people getting accepted on reapplication after being rejected, but I sure haven’t – not at Harvard, and not at any comparable institution, either. However random the decisions may seem to us, they are not that random from the inside, and certainly not reject vs. waitlist or accept decisions. It is overwhelmingly likely that the OP’s application will be evaluated in exactly the same way, probably by exactly the same people.</p></li>
<li><p>What everyone else said. I’ll concede for purposes of argument that Harvard is the greatest university in the world, and even that it offers the best undergraduate education (something that is subject to lots of debate). Even if that’s true, the next set of colleges offer 96-99% of what Harvard does. There’s no massive difference at all. Give it up.</p></li>
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<p>“Collegealum may have heard of people getting accepted on reapplication after being rejected, but I sure haven’t – not at Harvard”</p>

<p>I was accepted at Harvard after two rejections (the second one from the waitlist). But I was a completely different applicant on the second and third tries, and the point was never to get into Harvard specifically, it was to get out of a school that was wrong for me and into one that worked. Every year that I applied to Harvard, I applied to a lot of other colleges, too. If the OP got into “several Ivies,” it’s completely nuts to take a Penn or Columbia acceptance and do anything but forget about Harvard as far as undergrad is concerned.</p>

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<p>The people who I knew who got in after first being rejected were from peer schools (YS and MIT). There isn’t a huge difference in what these schools look for, especially the first two. Some of these people were waitlisted the first time.</p>

<p>I agree with the others that it would probably be better to just forget your rejection, but if you really want to apply again, I don’t see any downsides to deferring your enrollment at the other school and applying to Harvard as a sideline to making as much as possible out of your gap year.</p>

<p>I agree with a lot of the advice you’ve received. </p>

<p>Whatever you do, don’t use a strategy that relies on witholding information from or misleading Harvard admissions. That leaves two sensible strategies: </p>

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<li><p>Go to the college you like best among those that accepted you, and commit fully to that experience (you can always choose later to make a transfer application to Harvard if things aren’t working)</p></li>
<li><p>Defer admission at your top school, and develop a plan for a gap year that you think maximizes your chances of admission to Harvard. Then go ahead and apply EA.</p></li>
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<p>Thank you for all your replies. To clarify one thing though, I have no intention of lying in my application or violating any rules for re-applying to Harvard. My question is rather if for EA Harvard requires information on whether someone has enrolled at a college from September to December and if this factors into their decision. If I was a college Freshman but was dissatisfied with my experience, and Harvard knew that, could I still apply for EA this December instead of applying as a transfer?</p>

<p>@Opensecret’s suggestion: Would it be possible for me defer admission at my top school and re-apply to Harvard (as well as perhaps other options)? In any case, I’d benefit from all the opportunities of a gap year. If accepted, I would withdraw my enrollment at the school I already committed to. If rejected, I would continue as if it were any other gap year. My question is, don’t students have to pledge, upon taking a gap year, that they <em>will</em> enroll after the gap year? If not, what are the consequences, ethical implications, and chances that, say, Harvard would rescind their offer of admission if a student were violating this gap year policy from another school?</p>

<p>“If I was a college Freshman but was dissatisfied with my experience, and Harvard knew that, could I still apply for EA this December instead of applying as a transfer?”</p>

<p>No.</p>

<p>“don’t students have to pledge, upon taking a gap year, that they <em>will</em> enroll after the gap year?”</p>

<p>Yes.</p>

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Yes, but in case you end up getting into Harvard, you can simply forfeit your deposit fee of about $500 and attend Harvard.</p>

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There are no ethical implications because you wouldn’t be violating any policies. The policy is that you must pay $500 in form of forfeiting your deposit in case you don’t attend, and since you would pay the penalty fee if you don’t attend, you wouldn’t be doing anything wrong.</p>

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<p>Or perhaps you could just enroll to your current university and apply EA. You would know the decision by December and, if accepted, could just study part-time in your second semester.</p>

<p>You’re getting excellent advice here–especially the line, “Dont let who you are be defined by where you go to college.” </p>

<p>Those are tough words for an ambitious person to chew on–but in the end, many many colleges will meet your undergraduate experience with true satisfaction. </p>

<p>I would suggest enjoying the undergraduate experience from those you had received acceptance. If you still desire the Harvard name–why not shoot for it during grad/professional school? IMO, this is where such schools really shine. </p>

<p>Great success to your decision…! It’s all part of the learning process.</p>