<p>**** of ****<strong><em>, Where the *</em></strong> was I bragging? Where the **** was my sense of entitlement? I was simply listing my stats for others info. So Im supposed to peachy because my dream school rejected me? You’re the one who’s *<strong><em>ing bragging. Half your school has above a 33 act? Well aren’t you a special *</em></strong>**bag? At least I know basic grammar:
“your stats is nothing worth bragging about”</p>
<p>You need to stop being such a condescending arrogant ass. One of these days you are gonna say something like that without the anonymity of the internet and get your ass beat</p>
<p>I do not think that a low SAT/ACT necessarily shows that you are an unworthy student since the SAT/ACT really comes down to your ability to see past “trick answer choices.” I know plenty of students who not only have a high GPA, but exhibit tremendous intelligence and could not break 2000 on the SAT either because they allowed the pressure to get to them or they just are not good at guessing. Also, there are people who can afford to go to daily preps over the summer and there are kids that can not. Basing everything on the SAT/ACT would be foolish for any school. I think the rigor of your curriculum (the challenges you took) and your performance (GPA) should be the main factor, and a strong SAT/ACT should just be another indicator of good performance. But to say that a college should just reject students who do not meet a certain SAT score would be depriving the school of some potentially great additions to their student body.</p>
<p>And yes, a home schooled GPA would raise questions in anyone’s mind, especially an admissions board. The best way to show the board that you are worthy of the GPA your parents gave you is by passing SAT 2 subject tests and AP tests in that subject area; something you seem to not have done. I know that many schools rely heavily on the SAT 2/AP results for homeschooled students and I am sure Michigan is no exception (especially since it states they want these tests on their website).</p>
<p>I actually think sublimo’s posting is healthy. It is important for applicants to realize that there are hundreds, if not thousands, of highly qualified students like him who get turned down by Michigan. Each year, the number of such cases grows. Applicants to Michigan do need to adjust their expectations. Sublimo is not an isolated case. I have known several such applicants this year. Two were admitted into top ranked universities, including Ivies, and turned down by Michigan. Thanks for sharing Sublimo, it was brave of you to do so. Same goes for morethanfine. And Sublimo, do not empty your closet quite yet. You can always transfer into Michigan…or go to Michigan for grad school. In the meanwhile, I am sure you will end up at an excellent university, do well and have a great time.</p>
<p>Bearcats, I told you several times, Hotchkiss is not a typical school. There are only 10-15 high schools in the US that are comparable. Half of your high school class may have had better test scores than Sublimo, but at the same time, 75% of your high school class matriculate into top 25 universities.</p>
<p>@sublimio:
“your stats is nothing worth bragging about”
I don’t see anything wrong with this sentence, unless you think stats is plural.
statistics----singular</p>
<p>Dang, I totally just got beat up on here for being home schooled. Home schooling was not my choice and it is much more difficult than people think. For everyone questioning my gpa, I believe my ACT score reflected that I am a good student. I have worked very hard the past year and everyone is acting like I have just goofed off. Furthermore, everything I planned for college was my own initiative. My parents never informed me of SAT 2 tests, and I never had access to AP classes or anything of the sort. So I’m sorry I’m home schooled and maybe U of M is too.</p>
<p>Alexandre: I am just saying, Michigan and other colleges are aware of the difference in high school calibers and dont just compare gpas blindly which seems to be what “ddd928” is suggesting.</p>
<p>morethanfine: “So I’m sorry I’m home schooled and maybe U of M is too.” Trust me, U of M is NOT. And your ACT score does not reflect that. It’s at the 25th percentile of Michigan’s ACT range.
Your parents never informed you of SAT2 tests? Shouldn’t you be the one who should take charge of your college admissions process and know what you need? Because I am pretty sure my parents didnt tell me to take the SAT2 tests; so it is Michigan’s fault that you didnt take SAT2s and therefore can’t grant you admissions because they probably dont even know what your levels are in various subjects, especially in a situation like yours where SAT2 might be the only objective way to judge that?
Dont think that the world (or U of M) owes you everything. No one owes you anything. In the real world, you are on your own, and you fight for yourself. No one’s going to spoonfeed everything to you.</p>
<p>^^ I understand your frustration, but your parent’s did not need to tell you about what the extra requirements were for homeschooled students (SAT2/AP scores). It is stated on Michigan’s website. </p>
<p>I am sorry for the news you received, I really am. I am not trying to gang up on you, I am just trying to inform you of a requirement you may have not fulfilled for admission to Michigan as a homeschooled student.</p>
<p>Well I have been offered full tuition my first year at my second choice school, so I am going to go there and work my @ss off for a year there and hopefully get in as a transfer.</p>
<p>just the fact you said your parents didnt tell you to take the SAT2s. Dont take it the wrong way. Not being an ******* but I am just saying… If you want it, fight for it.</p>
<p>morethanfine, I had a friend who got a 32, had a 3.6 GPA, and took 9 AP classes and didn’t get in. Unfortunately, this stuff happens. You’re lucky you got full tuition to your second choice school, and you can always transfer to U of M.</p>
<p>It seems to make less sense then, considering her school profile.,she has a 3.8W/3.5 UW with 8 Honors and 4 AP with a 4.0 UW the past three quarters…we are out of state, though.</p>
<p>Alexandre, there are far more than 10-15 high schools that, like Hotchkiss, send most of their kids to Ivies or comparable schools. Just looking at the New York City high schools, Riverdale, Fieldston, Horace Mann, Dalton and Collegiate alone send at least 25% of kids to Ivies or top LACs. At these schools a B+ or greater will get you into a top 25 university. Colleges know what a GPA from each and every high school in the U.S. means relative to other members of your class.</p>
<p>KG2626, there are not FAR more than 10-15, IMO alexandre’s number is about right, maybe around 20 would be more appropriate, which would include:</p>
<p>NYC ones: Brearley, Chapin, Spence, Dalton, Collegiate, Horace Mann and Dalton
+Milton
+boarding school giants andover, exeter, st pauls, deerfield, lawrenceville, choate and hotchkiss. </p>
<p>They form a league of their own and no high schools save a few. can touch that. The reason is because not only are these schools stellar in academics and college placement, their prestige in nationwide. There are a lot of pretigious high schools in DC or chicago or other metro areas, but their pretige are generally limited to the greater region where they are located.</p>
<p>It’s almost like the difference between the ivies and a good school like wash u st louis. They are all prestigious stellar schools but wash u’s name is more limited locationwise.</p>
<p>It’s kinda funny you put riverdale or ethical culture fieldston there because they are not comparable to the top boarding schools, while you could have put brearley and chapin which ARE comparable. Do you go to the one of the “hill schools” just curious?</p>
<p>but anyway my point was… just like colleges were aware of hotchkiss’ class profile and made adjustment based on that during the admissions process (how often do you hear someone with 3.1 gpa get into wharton and Ross preadmit), they are aware of other school’s class profile.
If you high school is weak, 4.0 is questionable. If you high school is strong, 3.0 is an acheivement. Colleges know. that’s what admissions officers do for a living for cying out loud</p>
<p>You’re probably right. I was accounting for schools like Chicago Lab, Georgetown Day, and Harvard-Westlake, though admittedly I don’t know nearly as much about those schools’ admissions statistics as I do the NYC ones. I don’t go to one of the hill schools, although I did attend one of them for some time. Riverdale sends about 25 kids to Ivies, I think; Horace Mann sends an absurd amount to UPenn and around 5 to each additional Ivy. I don’t know much about Fieldston, though, but I guess they are more in the Rye Country Day/Columbia Prep league.</p>
<pre><code> I was assuming that there were more schools across the country sending a similar proportion to top schools, but I guess the NY region just dominates
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<p>There is one school that competes with some of the lower tier boarding schools (i.e. not Andover or Exeter) in terms of the number of graduates at top schools. It’s the all-girls National Cathedral School in DC. Average SAT is 1430 (2165 New SAT). That is a very high average SAT for any school, higher than most, if not all, of the top boarding schools. Take a look at this college matriculation list for the past few years:</p>
<p>Also, can’t forget about Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology in Alexandria, VA, which has an equally impressive track record. Average SAT ~1450. 13 to Princeton (21 in 2006!) and 8 to Harvard in 2007 alone (can’t find the 2008 data).</p>
