<p>lol 28 act and you saying you are a good student? fail</p>
<p>Thomas Jefferson HS has an enrollment of almost 500 per grade, though. Seven to Harvard isn’t that impressive when Exeter usually sends around 20 to Harvard (their grades have 250 students each). Schools like Collegiate, Dalton, etc. will send 5-10 to Harvard despite class sizes of 150-200.</p>
<p>Sure, but the average SAT of TJ is much higher than that of Andover or Exeter, which leads me to believe that getting into Harvard is more about connections and prestige of high school than it is about sheer intelligence.</p>
<p>Dalton has a much smaller class size than 150</p>
<p>I don’t know about Exeter or Andover in terms of SAT scores, but a number of their students are recruited athletes, therefore bringing down the mean SAT. </p>
<pre><code> I do know that most of the top NYC schools have an average SAT of at least 2000, brought down not by recruited athletes but by minorities receiving affirmative action. If you want to compare, say, Collegiate and Chapin to TJ, the NY kids will be far more successful in college admissions and in life. The academic rigor, intellectual level, and success of past graduates of these schools means that kids have a great shot at Ivies or wherever they want to attend school.
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<p>Lee University in Cleveland, Tennessee. It is a Christian college, and I was only offer full tuition my first year. And why are some people saying a 28 ACT is bad? I did way better than ALL my friends. The closest one to me was a 25. I think a 28 is good.</p>
<p>^28 is pretty good, but on this site 28 is pretty bad… ACT scores lower than 32 would be considered “bad”. lol.</p>
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It depends on the selectivity of the school. For example, your score is very good if you apply to Michigan State where the 25%-75% ACT range is 23-27. However, your score is not “pretty good” for Michigan where the range is 27-31 for enrolled freshmen (admitted class is 28-32).</p>
<p>^Spot on post.</p>
<p>Are we done with the ‘my snobby east coast private school is better than yours.’</p>
<p>I was enjoying the discussion.</p>
<p>That explains why I was accepted to nasty Michigan State University.</p>
<p>MSU is a great school. College is what you make of it. Stop being so pretentious.</p>
<p>“MSU is a great school”
No it’s not. it’s a decent school, but it’s not great."</p>
<p>“College is what you make of it”
That’s not true. Part of college is what you make of it. But there is a reason for prestige to exist. There’s a reason many prestigious companies have target schools. There are certain prestigious jobs/positions that are virtually shut off from schools that are generally considered non-targets, including michigan state. There is a reason why BB ibanks and MBB consulting, Google, Amazon hire 90% of their fresh undergrad hires from target schools. For MBB consulting examples, most companies paying millions for Strat consulting would rather hear that their consultant graduated from ivies, northwestern cal or michigan as opposed to lowly michigan state. This is just the sad fact in a prestige-wh0ring finance/business world. </p>
<p>In last years’ summer analyst class of the MS branch where my friend interned, of a pool of 37,
35 came from top private + cal + michigan +UVA
1 came from university of illinois, 3.9GPA EECS major and did well in something like putnam. (and bear in mind U of I is still a lot better than michigan state.)
1 came from Purdue but his uncle is an MD.</p>
<p>According to an MD at lazard who my dad knows pretty well, you can network your butt off and they still wont talk to you unless you go to a target school or you are the son/daughter of a CEO from a major client; so if you go to Michigan, you are on the target school list. If you go to Michigan state, good luck.</p>
<p>Why did you even bother applying to a school you think of as “nasty.” You are no better than the students at MSU, especially since you didn’t get into UMich.</p>
<p>I think you are being highly offensive to anyone who may attend MSU. They probably do not want to hear crap from a homeschooled UMich reject, so can you please learn some manners, stop insulting everyone and move on. You are taking this rejection way too personally.</p>
<p>JUST GOT MY REJECTION LETTER WOOOOOO
dated the 2nd came in the mail today (the 7th)</p>
<p>Oh wow, that sucks lightening, tough luck. Did you get an update on WA or just the letter?</p>
<p>How long will it take for snail mail to reach internationals abroad? :S</p>
<p>i got the letter will be arriving in the mail thing on WA and then the rejection letter.
funny thing is i really dont give a crap im going to community college next year (**** this economy) and then trying to transfer to MSU or something</p>
<p>it could of been the essays…yeah you got it checked by a english major but the admissons people could of found them boring.</p>
<p>@ ExarKun: "lol 28 act and you saying you are a good student? fail " ?!?!?!?!?!?</p>
<p>How are test scores indicative of your performance as a student? I’d like to know. </p>
<p>Maybe I missed the joke, but that makes no kind of sense whatsoever. I know students in my classes with ACT scores 5+ points higher than me that can barely hope for a B or a C on tests, complain about the difficulty, and rarely do their work. People need to get off this test score stuff. Its just a way people with inadequate GPA/abilities/motivation can make excuses for themselves and put others down. I just dont get it. Even if students with higher test scores have “more potential”, whats the use? If they haven’t trained themselves to work-if they haven’t produced good grades in the classroom-then what makes people believe they will in college? More likely, these students will be the ones to party, slack off, and eventually drop out in the first year. They will crumble under the workload and difficulty of schools like Umich.</p>
<p>The fall can’t come sooner; ACT scores WONT matter-a students ability to use POE, identify tricks, or make the “educated guesses” on standardized tests wont matter. Students wont be able to wave a certificate of their ACT/SAT scores when it is time to take a REAL test. The only thing that will matter is the student’s study skills, ability to work under pressure, and capacity to understand difficult concepts. </p>
<p>If a student resume with a high GPA and lower test score implies anything, it would be tenacity and hard work, not inadequacy in any form. I believe this type of student can be sucessful in college, as well as the student with high test scores. Maybe Im wrong. But, PLEASE, cut the arrogant, elitist attitude. It is VERY annoying. I hope I dont see you at Umich…</p>
<p>PS: Test scores are certainly the "cherry on the top. But ask yourself this: who the hell wants an ice cream sundae for the freakin cherry???</p>
<p>All I care about is the cherry. Just kidding. For the most part, I agree with your statement about test scores, but there is something to be said for those who get a 34+ on the ACT. Generally it means that they’re inherently intelligent. No to say that those who don’t get a 34+ aren’t inherently smart, but those who do often have a high level of understanding. Like you said though, this says nothing about work ethic etc… but I believe it says something about the students potential, and that’s why colleges consider it legitimate statistic.</p>