<p>I am 1/8 Native American. I am wondering if I should put this on my apps. But I sorta feel it is kinda reverse racism for them to even ask. What is your opinion</p>
<p>I swear I want to shoot myself when people say reverse racism or reverse discrimination.</p>
<p>Put it on your application. Seems fine to me.</p>
<p>Some people don’t like getting things due to superficial properties. I know my girlfriend didn’t want to put down she was South American on her grad school applications because she didn’t want to get in for the sake of “diversity.”</p>
<p>It is, but it is a big advantage to give away if you don’t accept that racism. It’s honestly your choice. If you can find a way not to inform them and you get in, nobody can ever call you out on it.</p>
<p>Um, there is no such thing as reverse racism…it is ALL racism. And yes, you would be accepting a racist favor if you were granted admissions based on that. The only question is does your personal value system allow for this and if not, can you rationalize it enough to not let it bother you.</p>
<p>“swear I want to shoot myself when people say reverse racism or reverse discrimination.”</p>
<p>PM me your address, ill send you a bullet :).</p>
<p>Racism in college admissions annoys me to no end. I feel that the most qualified people should be allowed to take the best positions. There is simply no reason to factor race into it. In addition, the people who do get in who are of a certain race have a certain stigma on their degree. Like their degree is somehow cheapened by the fact that people assume that they only got in because of affirmative action.</p>
<p>I say put it on, whats it going to do negatively?</p>
<p>Why the negativity…maybe because if you’re white or Asian you get the shaft and I don’t care how you dissect it or rationalize it, it’s downright not fair. Schools like Michigan have taken the diversity theme and used it to abuse white, Asian and to a relative extent, Hispanics applicants. The next time someone tells you that Michigan is hard to get accepted to, think about this, who is it hard FOR…at least prop 2 seems to be changing this, but it takes a court order for a school to change it’s policies that were so…well, you decide for yourself if they are fair or not…And don’t think for a minute there aren’t scores of schools doing the same thing as we speak!</p>
<p>[Discriminations:</a> University Of Michigan: Scofflaw!](<a href=“http://www.discriminations.us/2006/10/university_of_michigan_scoffla.html]Discriminations:”>http://www.discriminations.us/2006/10/university_of_michigan_scoffla.html)</p>
<p>In the most recent year (2005), the median black admittee’s SAT score was 1160, versus 1260 for Hispanics, 1350 for whites, and 1400 for Asians. High school GPAs were 3.4 for the median black, 3.6 for Hispanics, 3.8 for Asians, and 3.9 for whites.</p>
<p>In terms of probability of admissions in 2005, black and Hispanic students with a 1240 SAT and a 3.2 high school GPA, for instance, had a 9 out of 10 chance of admissions, while whites and Asians in this group had only a 1 out of 10 chance.</p>
<p>[Minority</a> admissions plummet - Academics](<a href=“http://media.www.michigandaily.com/media/storage/paper851/news/2007/02/19/Academics/Minority.Admissions.Plummet-2727909.shtml]Minority”>http://media.www.michigandaily.com/media/storage/paper851/news/2007/02/19/Academics/Minority.Admissions.Plummet-2727909.shtml)
Before and after prop 2</p>
<p>76 Percent of underrepresented minority applicants accepted before the University stopped using affirmative action in early January</p>
<p>33Percent of underrepresented minority applicants accepted after the University stopped using affirmative action in early January</p>
<p>64Percent of underrepresented minority applicants accepted by Dec. 31 during the 05-06 cycle</p>
<p>84Percent of underrepresented minority applicants accepted after Dec. 31 during the 05-06 cycle</p>
<p>I’m 1/8 Native American. I didn’t put it on my application. I’d feel like I cheated my way into the university I eventually gained entrance into as a white person.</p>
<p>I could’ve got into some other universities had I put Native American on my application, but meh.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if you did use your minority status to get into a university, a good GPA would prove that you did indeed deserve entrance into the university. Regardless, I think it’s a bit immoral.</p>
<p>“On the other hand, if you did use your minority status to get into a university, a good GPA would prove that you did indeed deserve entrance into the university.”</p>
<p>I disagree…there are plenty of 1100 SAT students that could graduate Harvard with Honors, but that doesn’t mean they deserve to be there. Competing and winning the college admissions lottery and doing well in college are mutually exclusive.</p>
<p>While I understand the frustration when there is such a discrepancy in stats, seeking a diverse campus population is not in itself a bad thing. I would feel guilty if I were 1/8 Native American but did not identify with that heritage; if I strongly identified with that heritage, I wouldn’t feel guilty.</p>
<p>On second thought, as a pasty white guy Ivy grad, maybe I DON’t identify with the frustration…</p>
<p>There is no such thing as “reverse” racism. Affirmative Action is an absolutely racist policy no matter what way you look at it. If blacks and other minorities are so fed up of “racism”, then they should stop suckling at the teet. I.e. If a black person thinks it’s OK to call whites “cracker”, then they should stop complaining about the “N WORD”.</p>
<p>
Perhaps it’s too early to draw any conclusions. Minority enrollment at U-M showed hardly any difference between 2007-08 and 2006-07:</p>
<p>Minority Enrollment - <2007-08> <2006-07>
Black, no-Hispanic - 334 … 330
American Indian - 50 … 52
Asian or Pacific Islander - 757 … 618
Hispanic - 267 … 274
Nonresident aliens - 251 … 237
Unknown - 515 … 474</p>
<p>I read that those who put down Native American on their application are required to show a tribal ID card. I have no idea whether that’s true or not though.</p>
<p>Yes, GoBlue81, the analysis Tom is posting (TWICE, now, at least) is really not a good way to measure what Prop 2 changed. I addressed that in the U-M thread.</p>
<p>The reality is, a lot of colleges practice racism (as it’s being defined here) and sexism and classism. They discriminate on your intelligence, at least as far as they can measure it, and on your ability to earn high school grades and take standardized tests. They also discriminate on athletic ability, geography, parents’ alumni status, even the major you think you want to choose. Some of them discriminate on your ability to play oboe or get elected to student council. </p>
<p>Oh it’s rampant all right.</p>
<p>One way to avoid all this discrimination to go to an open-admissions college. That’s not palatable to a lot of ambitious students. Another option is to make some attempt to understand why they do it. Maybe you could better stomach the actions of higher education institutions if you knew why. Some of the reasons are less noble than others, of course, but in my experience the reasons for giving preferential admission aren’t usually as offensive at their worst critics think. You might still think it’s an awful way to go about admitting people to college, but it’s usually for better reasons than the critics give them credit for.</p>
<p>As for the OP, it’s up to you to share the information or not. I can’t speak for your college of choice, but at my school there are specific funds set aside by the state for native american students, so even excluding the admissions decision (or, that is, after you get in) there might be good reason to share your tribal status at some point.</p>
<p>Hoedown,
You can’t say colleges practice “racism” if they judge you based on grades and test scores. I do agree, however that athletes get a pass, but that can be justified as a QUANTIFIABLE contribution is made to the school be having a good athletic team. I feel that if a school that doesn’t draw money from athletes, then they should re-think athletic scholarships.</p>
<p>Now, let’s get to the part of your argument that I feel is really flawed. Getting into a good college is about competition. The more prestigious the college, the higher the competition. Grades and test scores are the metrics used to quantifiably judge students. Michigan and other schools such as my school, U-Florida routinely turn away students with 1400+ SAT scores (reference-UF admitted 88.2% of 1400+ SAT applicants last year) for unrepresented minorities who score 200-300 points LOWER. In essence, the school removes any element of competition for minorities relative to the applicant pool as a whole. They check a box and skate (again relative to the school’s applicant pool). You say this makes the school better off, but can you prove it? You think it is fair, but what about the Michigan applicant with a 3.5, 1350 who was dinged when his friend with 100 points lower SAT score has a 90% chance of admissions when race is factored in. You want diversity…fine, MAYBE use it as a factor for borderline students. However, you seem to ignore the elephant in the room…a 200+ point SAT advantage for being part of a racial group is ludicrous. You can paint it anyway you want, it doesn’t make it less disgusting, especially since this is a state school using public funds. You don’t have to believe me or agree with me, but the fact is that a pretty big margin of Michigan’s voters were so fed up with it that they acted…good for them.</p>
<p>Can you imagine if they let sports teams into the playoffs with sub 500 records because they were made up of minorities?</p>
<p>"Perhaps it’s too early to draw any conclusions. Minority enrollment at U-M showed hardly any difference between 2007-08 and 2006-07:</p>
<p>Minority Enrollment - <2007-08> <2006-07>
Black, no-Hispanic - 334 … 330
American Indian - 50 … 52
Asian or Pacific Islander - 757 … 618
Hispanic - 267 … 274
Nonresident aliens - 251 … 237
Unknown - 515 … 474"</p>
<p>Let’s talk UNDERGRADUATE minority ADMISSIONS, not enrollment. Think about it.</p>
<p>if i understand this correctly, a study done by Thomas J. Espenshade and Change Y. Chung from Princeton university shows the advantages and disadvantages as far as race goes at elite institutions using SAT points…
African Americans: +230
Hispanics: +185
Asians: -50
they dont have white ppl…im not sure y they didnt look that up
As someone who has been helped and hurt (or I feel) by Affirmative Action, I think its wrong to base college admissions on race. I hate to think that race, something I cannot control, should be a factor in whether I get into a school or not. I know way too many people who were African American or Hispanic who got into an institution over a white or Asian kid who had better scores. I also know way too many African Americans and Hispanics who have gotten in with great scores, but still have people snickering behind their backs that they only got in because of their race, even though they were qualified. Why should some races have to compete at a higher standard then others? It’s an insult to the African American and Hispanic community (because for some reason affirmative action assumes they cannot compete at the same level as the rest of the world…which is how I interpretted it when it happened to me) and as far as “diversity” goes, the color of someone’s skin does not mean that they will somehow bring diversity to the table…that’s like assuming an African American who has been going to a white private school all his life has a totally different perspective from a white kid who has been going to the same private school and living in the same community. If Affirmative Action applied to socioeconomic status, then maybe I can understand…I mean, what if we were to say that there were suddenly qoutas on the NBA, because there were too many African Americans, and they picked ppl who were not nearly as talented based on race…it just doesn’t make sense in any other context, so why can it be applied to education? Also, Asians seem to be getting gipped, -50 SAT scores? Is that really fair to be putting a qouta (and yes, I feel it has come to that) on one race to make sure the others succeed? Sounds like the qoutas put on the Jewish people, which was declared illegal!
I feel the African Americans and Hispanics are just as intelligent, and can have just as high averages…and if for some reason that doesn’t work out, then maybe there is something wrong with the way the college board assesses students.</p>
<p>hoedown: college admissions is supposed to be based soley on intelligence (i guess they assume this as how well you do on a test), essays (how good of a writer you are and how much you want to be there), and ECs (how much time you dedicate to outside activities), these are all things you control…skin color does not fall into that category, you cannot control that…your analogy doesn’t make sense at all…</p>