<p>that was a really interesting article!</p>
<p>recently, a friend’s mom asked me my SAT scores, and I told her. when she heard she looked at me with a shocked expression and said “well…i guess you must just test well…” </p>
<p>i was a tiny bit offended that she (and the many others who had said the same thing) were being condescending about it, but didn’t know how to respond. after reading that article, i feel better, and not like an idiot who- in some sort of fluke- did well on the SATs.</p>
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<p>Ugh. Da noive.</p>
<p>“Well, I guess you must have a wonderful plastic surgeon!”</p>
<p>“Yet amazingly the College Board, along with those psychologists who think the SAT measures IQ, maintains that the SAT is basically uncoachable. The best research, they say, shows coaching leading to improvements of only 30 points per section.”</p>
<p>Completely untrue lol</p>
<p>And this guy’s IQ formula is sketchy. Why is math weighted so much more than reading and why is the highest IQ possible 129 when the percentiles of an already skewed (in the direction of more intelligent people) indicate a much higher IQ?</p>
<p>The late Julian Stanley is just one of many researchers who would agree with the statement quoted in the article that SAT scores correlate strongly with IQ scores because they both focus on scholastic ability rather than a broader set of abilities.</p>
<p>IQ is irrelevant to success anyway. It’s EQ that’s more important</p>
<p>I think that taking an SAT without any studying, throwing about 50-100 points onto the score, and then doing a straight deviation conversion would be a pretty good estimate of IQ.</p>
<p>Note: estimate.</p>
<p>Once you start studying however, all correlation flies out the window (well, most). </p>
<p>P.S. I say you should add a few points onto your score because you need to account for the people who do study.</p>
<p>Let’s be honest here. Take the ten biggest knuckleheads you know and ask for their scores. Then take the ten smartest people you know and ask for theirs. Correlation much?</p>
<p>SAT is definitely an IQ test. Definitely.</p>
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This. I have realized this before, but could not put it down as eloquently as Prof. Linda Gottfredson.</p>
<p>I think the SAT is a valid test overall. It does what it is supposed to–to measure a student’s preparation for college. The CR section tests vocabulary and reading comprehension, which students should know and be able to do for college. The Writing section tests how well you can write a 25 minute essay, which is much more generous than some English finals where you have to write 2 essays in 40 minutes on a specific topic. The grammar isn’t too complicated, mostly plural/singular agreement and simplifying sentences. The Math is tests applying basic middle-school math, which is something a successful high school junior should have been able to do 3 years ago.</p>
<p>I’m not saying this because I’m like one of those over-achievers on CC. I have my own problems with vocab, understanding what the author means, and spotting grammar mistakes, but I think the test is fair. Most of the people I know who do well tend to have pretty good grades in school anyway, so it does test college preparation.</p>
<p>Do people that don’t test well consistently do so since kindergarten? Do people that test well?</p>
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<p>Says the 2400’er :)</p>
<p>Did anyone consider the fact that people can actually gain IQ points? For example, people who show huge improvements on the SAT. Specifically, someone who took it in 7th grade will probably have a higher score when he takes it again in 11th grade. </p>
<p>This is my take on it</p>
<p>Doing well on the SAT is highly correlated to how well you have been educated academically. People who have had a terrific education since elementary school, and people who have had teachers who emphasize critical thinking skills instead of pure memorization tend to be well equipped when it comes to the SAT. I wouldn’t say it is an intelligence test because intelligence in my opinion is a completely ambiguous term. Your brain has a multitude of different things it can perform superbly at. It is the history of ‘training’ that your brain has gone through in a particular area that contributes to future success in that area. The kid who has been passionately playing basketball since he was little will excel in the future, just as the person who has been drawing for his or her entire life, and just as the guy who has received an exceptional education will perform well on his SATs.</p>
<p>The SAT, is in fact like an IQ test. I did say, however, that it does not measure intelligence, but on behalf of what I mentioned, IQ tests don’t measure intelligence either but instead scholastic aptitude/reasoning/critical thinking/logic (It is all the same).</p>
<p>EDIT: Basically, my point is that these skills are not innate and can be obtained, and that aptitude/reasoning etc. should not be confused with intelligence</p>
<p>Fibonacci Sequence: You should have seen what my AP Psych class said when I tried to insist on this one.</p>
<p>you know, technically, the concept of “g” has not been proven. Therefore, you can’t say that SAT scores correlate with “g” when “g” itself is not defined. I mean, psychologists do it, but unless we get a better definition of intelligence other than “whatever intelligence tests measure,” I don’t think you can definitively correlate anything with intelligence.</p>
<p>Good to know about for this discussion: </p>
<p>[What</a> Intelligence Tests Miss - Stanovich, Keith E. - Yale University Press](<a href=“http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/book.asp?isbn=9780300123852]What”>http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/book.asp?isbn=9780300123852)</p>
<p>In the end, it’s really just how hard you are willing to work.</p>
<p>^You still need a certain amount of intelligence with that hard work to break barriers.</p>
<p><a href=“http://professionals.collegeboard.com/profdownload/sat_percentile_ranks_2008_composite_cr_m_w.pdf[/url]”>http://professionals.collegeboard.com/profdownload/sat_percentile_ranks_2008_composite_cr_m_w.pdf</a></p>
<p>Obviously, no one with a very high IQ (130+) will score very poorly on the SAT if he or she is prepared for the test. Likewise, no one with a very low IQ (<80) will score very highly on the test.</p>
<p>I don’t think we can assume more than that. The test can tell us if someone if smart, but it shouldn’t be used to determine if someone is unintelligent or to what extent he or she is smart.</p>