SCAD feedback

<p>I am currently an illustration major at FIT in manhattan, I plan on recieving my associates from there then continuing on at another school. </p>

<p>Although I am in love with my classes and major at FIT, I know i am not happy there. I dont know if it’s the vibes i get from other students who are mostly fashion majors and can be judgemental, materialistic at times and quite intense. or if it’s just the fast paced lifestyle of new york thats bothering me. </p>

<p>I havn’t visited SCAD, but plan to,
i just wanted to know what the people are like overall, the atmosphere of the school, is it laid-back? or super competitive?
what is the night life like, and do people go out and explore the city, & near by beach?
the city&beach is the main reason i’ll probably go there</p>

<p>04-15-2009, 02:52 PM #96<br>
Bug41
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<p>Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1 Untrue Statements </p>

<p>Thank you so much for clearing the air Bug41. We were just at SCAD this past week and had an excellent time. The students were friendly, the faculty were gracious, and the admitted students day was very enjoyable. We were even surprised with alum who had graduated 5 years ago, who told us their stories, all positive, and excited they were to give out their personal email address to my son, so if he has any questions over the next 4 years to please contact them. These 2 particular alum were working at some very prestigious film companies and their body of work was even more impressive. My son was accepted to 2 art schools and 5 very selective universities and he chose SCAD, even though the others gave him twice as much scholarship money. The place, people, and opportunities are meant more than the money.</p>

<p>Some thoughts about the SCAD Fashion Department from an insider. There is no Chairperson - nobody wants the job. The Dean is new and inexperienced in education and design - clueless. There is difficulty keeping profs. 3 good ones left this past year and haven’t been replaced.
Aside from the flashy visitors, the connections to NYC are zero. Not what they are at FIT / Parsons and Pratt - . The placement person is useless. Half the profs are excellent and the rest going thru the motions - of the remaining ones - all have no current connection to the fashion world. Half have their Masters degrees from SCAD. You are on your own getting an internship. Job placement figures they quote are a lie. Because of the open admissions - classes are dragged down by the less talented and lazy… The most recent collaboration with Malandrino and Posen was a disaster.</p>

<p>LALondonNY - you copy/pasted the s.a.m.e. response in almost ten separate threads today, even resurrecting some “dead ones” about SCAD. It seems you are on a mission or have some vendetta? What’s up with that? How are you truly an insider if you left?</p>

<p>/////…Having taught there and escaped with my reputation intact it’s fun to see which of my former colleagues who are now stuck at SCAD for life weighed in on the wonderfulness of SCAD in the comments. Pathetic and very telling. Their immediate and over-the-top reaction to the criticism is typical of SCAD…/////</p>

<p>Are you referring to me? I was terminated years ago - as in fired. I live 1000 miles away. I was perceived as “troublesome” to the administration, and I was. I could easily come on forums like this and flame away with bitterness, but I choose to not to be that way. How can anyone be “stuck” at SCAD? They can pick up and move if they don’t like it. All faculty are on annual contracts. I moved. It wasn’t hard.</p>

<p>I don’t think SCAD is perfect or beyond criticism. If criticism is warranted and relevant, then provide examples to establish credibility. I can’t and won’t argue points that are valid.</p>

<p>I’ll send you a PM and let you know my name. I am curious to know yours. Just respect my privacy, and I will do the same for you, thanks.</p>

<p>/////…Better schools - ones that have decades of results - don’t care what anyone thinks of them - the work speaks for itself - and SCAD work is mediocre…/////</p>

<p>Is the work mediocre? If you put ALL of it in a blender and mixed it up, yes. It has a broad range of students. This can be a valid criticism for some. SCAD does not want to be a top-ten school. Some departments are better than others - can’t argue with that.</p>

<p>/////…Feel sorry for the kids and their parents that have taken the bait. Sad puppet show…/////</p>

<p>You are painting the college with a very broad brush. Do you speak for all of the people on this list?</p>

<p>[SCAD</a> > 2010](<a href=“http://www.scad.edu/info-for/alumni/where-are-they-now/scad/]SCAD”>http://www.scad.edu/info-for/alumni/where-are-they-now/scad/)</p>

<p>I don’t think so. Regards.</p>

<p>RainingAgain is a shill for SCAD - buyer beware.</p>

<p>///…RainingAgain is a shill for SCAD - buyer beware. …////</p>

<p>LALondonNY, I sent you a PM including my name in real life. We might have known each other. I am waiting for a response. I am curious to know why you are so bitter, and am curious to discover whether you have any credibility. Let me know, thanks.</p>

<p>SCAD indeed has a lot to live down, but the endless rehashing of old conflicts that occurred during what could be called the “growing pains” of the 80’s and 90’s have for the most part been put behind, with the exception of a few bitter ex-affiliates.</p>

<p>Wait. Once again,</p>

<p>[SCAD</a> has lousy “climate for academic freedom,” says profs’ group | Atlanta News & Opinion Blog | Fresh Loaf | Creative Loafing Atlanta](<a href=“http://clatl.com/freshloaf/archives/2011/11/01/scad-has-lousy-climate-for-academic-freedom-says-profs-group]SCAD”>http://clatl.com/freshloaf/archives/2011/11/01/scad-has-lousy-climate-for-academic-freedom-says-profs-group)</p>

<p>Yes. And I will also quickly disabuse this thread of a continuous lie-by-omission being perpetrated here, before I go on: SCAD’s supposed “non-profit” status. </p>

<p>‘SCAD Group Inc’, technically not the same institution as the school, is a truly massive entity that serves as this school’s for-profit contractor, landlord, consultant, and all around legal loophole. Privately held.</p>

<p>Ahem. </p>

<p>I am a savannah historic district native. I am also an art school graduate, just not from the Savannah College of Art and Design, though it was certainly an option. There are reasons; I have intimate knowledge of both SCAD’s history AND the perception other institutions and fellow artists have of it. Perhaps you should ask why ANYONE would both refuse to name the school I attended (which I will), or bother to make this mostly negative post, since I have “no skin in the game” as they say, and trust me unlike SCAD 99% of other schools don’t bother to hire folks to do “badmouth”. Recruiters from other schools have better things to do than spend their time doing this; most have to actually have respectable portfolio requirements to sort out their existing surplus of applicants. I am doing this because the world needs less badly-trained artists and designers.</p>

<p>To answer the question of why I don’t supply background besides that given, I can only say that there are very few of us downtown natives that satisfy both conditions outlined in my background, and putting two and two together is not at all beyond the inclination or resources this institution devotes to these things. Someday I would like to be able to return and function in downtown Savannah without having a goon on my tail, an employee sitting in on municipal meetings taking note of my movements and speech, tapping my phone or hacking my email. IT IS THAT BAD; IT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST TO FACULTY, UNAFFILIATED COMMUNITY MEMBERS, ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF AND STUDENTS AND WILL CONTINUE. I am not paranoid, there will be more posts after this one, just like before it, supporting my claim. Why? </p>

<p>Name any other institution that has even a fraction of this institutional paranoia or attestations thereof. Should you manage to dig, once again name ANY OTHER academic institution that has garnered even a portion of this school’s sour grapes in its relatively short lifespan outside of the recent relevations regarding for-profit diploma mills; the two are not at all unrelated. Ask yourself this: why are the only posters negatively attesting to this school’s reputation or supplying anecdotes here or elsewhere in the internet willing to supply their identity only after defiantly declaring their hard-won legal status to do so?</p>

<p>Why indeed?</p>

<p>It is a FACT, even testified upon sworn oath in some cases, that this school has had its staff photograph and hire private detectives to follow citizens of the city who have questioned the school’s motives - whatever the reason. The number of current and former staff, students and faculty that allege they have been bugged or had their email monitored for the purposes of determining “loyalty” exceeds any rational understanding, unless one realizes that never has any institution outside of fast-food enterprises and totalitarian states required so much triumph of image over substance. </p>

<p>I can understand the school’s appeal. But understand, SCAD does not so much exist for the students as for the purpose of charming the parents on visit. Question why your tuition goes to these boutique expenditures, they are massive. To parents with creatively talented sons and daughters, having grown up on shows like ‘Fame’ or heard horror stories of big city bound young folk spiraling into drugs and bizarre “lifestyles”, returning a committed atheist/socialist/what-have-you, of the rumored libertine excesses at other art and design schools, a tour of SCAD is a relief. It’s buildings are old and reassuring in their traditionality. The school and its setting is relatively conservative, almost genteel. It’s certainly beautiful. The vast majority of campus student tour guides seem presentable, almost preppy. Then there is the vaunted “cost of living” in those big cites, which in my experienced opinion is a canard used to rationalize why people don’t leave the easy mental comforts of the suburbs. The wages are certainly higher and many of the contacts you make there during your education will help you get them, the resumes and CV’s are better, the hustle harder and therefore more supplying of a real world education if you’re willing to put forth the effort, and gasoline is not needed. Parents: ideas and stimulation are vital to creative people and you can’t protect them forever. But if you’re a small town person or fellow southerner and feel differently I won’t hold it against you, just don’t make it the sole reason to pick this school. Believe it or not in my experience most state schools both rural and urban have excellent fine arts, performing arts and design programs. Their graduates are often brutally competitive, being possessed of a well-rounded education and committed group of alumni contacts; the schools are willing to give the students ample self-governed resources and extra-curricular programs and they have the advantage of an unarguably accredited degree with a proven reputation to boot. Finally, get a copy of SCAD’s student handbook and review their legal status regarding the intellectual property rights of your student work with a fine-toothed comb (in so many words, they own it). As far as I’m concerned that alone is a deal-breaker for any school.</p>

<p>If you really want to go to a private art school, and they do have their benefits, I have some recommendations. Many of you realize that there are limited opportunities to study animation or character design in college (though I might disagree; you want to be animator, be creative!). For that I would suggest, nay insist CalArts. It in particular has a wonderful, safe campus and was founded by Walt Disney himself for crying out loud, and I found its students to be amazingly non-catty and supportive. If your work is not quite ready or you can’t afford it, well, you know how to use the internet for feedback and so go ahead and work on some Flash animations or whatever is hot and take a drawing class or three somewhere local if you need to until you get some portfolio. They love drawn-style animations and character design there and you can use this to segway into the hard-core digital stuff once you get in. If you are a fine-artist type, especially painting or performance/video I would suggest schools such as SFAI, where potential purchasers are allowed to walk the campus and purchase your pieces and they do, or the Chicago Art Institute. (Why does everyone forget about Chicago schools? Hardest working students in the country all around…) Both have a rare and dedicated focus for this field and SFAI is notable for its small size, beautiful location and the fact that it has the world’s first film, dedicated video/new genres, and photography programs and maintains a one-of-a-kind perspective in these fields.</p>

<p>For industrial design I would be an idiot not to suggest CCA, because Myth-Busters doesn’t even scratch the surface of the Bay Area maker culture and its support for new designs and fabrication and CIA (what a name) in Cleveland is excellent too. Cities like Cleveland, or Pittsburgh with schools like Carnegie and its amazing programs across the board including a top notch fine arts program are great places for the young industrialist in general and should not be overlooked. Cleveland in particular has a low cost of living, the best radio I’ve ever heard and workspace - climate controlled, freight elevator equipped - can be had for something like 10,000 sq/ft at $1200/mo. While the days of the big factories are mostly over, small manufacturing (what you will be doing young ID major) is on the rise. They were the Silicon Valleys of design and production in their time, and the educational resources and culture still exist to your benefit. On the down side, getting used to how beat up these northern towns look can take a little while, they really aren’t. If you’re into sequential art, instead join a fine art drawing program to develop a truly unique style, or just move to a stimulating location, get a cool day job and practice practice practice. It’s what you’ll be doing right after college anyway. For fashion, New York or L.A., period. Or else just buy a sewing machine (Elna!) and hand screen printer and get a couple of friends together and go to town; without a bunch of rag-trade hacks filling your mind full of garbage and ripping you off you guys might actually come up with something original and start a trend :wink: </p>

<p>These are just a few suggestions in a few fields, the gist being that SCAD has no (local) monopoly on anything, no matter what they say and there are also perfectly good programs in cities you haven’t even thought of and all that gear is overrated unless you’re really into rendering “Revit buildings” or whatever and in that case do the world a favor and stop now. And if you really, REALLY must live in Savannah – trust me its been happening for 200 years – go to Armstrong Atlantic or Savannah Tech. Compare AASU’s arts yearbook to anything equivalent that SCAD puts out and in my opinion it comes out ahead considering that they have 1/50th of the student fine arts body. </p>

<p>And crime. Now most parts of the town are truly gentle, but downtown and victorian district Savannah last year experienced the worst crimewave since the gang wars of the eighties and nineties, as featured on this year’s COPS. Having grown up there (Downtown) I have the knife wounds and treasured memories of guns held to my head. And I’m as savvy as they get. </p>

<p>Now some students indeed do very well and are happy with SCAD. It’s just that I wonder how much better they would do somewhere else, somewhere more honest and competitive. And of course there are those students who because of certain intangibles just truly find themselves in the right place and course of events; also some are so forcefully idiosyncratic they will be successful no matter where they go to school. And in criticizing I could definitely be accused of biting the hand that feeds it; 500 million dollars a year pumped into the local economy has done wonders for our service industry and thankfully SCAD graduates tend to stick around to fill its ranks.</p>

<p>P.S.
Consider any poster whose entire CV consists of a single educational institution as somewhat conflicted in interest, paid or not, given that the competitiveness of their background is so irrecoverably entangled with the “conventional wisdom” regarding that school. It is something to be looked upon as suspicious in the academic world for good reason.</p>

<p>///Consider any poster whose entire CV consists of a single educational institution as somewhat conflicted in interest, paid or not… – survivi ///</p>

<p>Are you referring to me? I have 6 institutions on my C.V. - 3 academic and 3 professional.</p>

<p>The points you made and refer to – such as the administration hiring private detectives to follow faculty around – happened a long time ago, a long time ago as in 1992/1993. Most people have moved on from this time. The college is not the same now as it was then.</p>

<p>In fact your entire perception of the college seems to have been gleaned from that tumultuous time, plus you misrepresent some details. For example, you suggest that SCAD owns the works produced by students. They do not. What they own is the right to reproduce the work in books, catalogs, on Web sites, etc. What art and design college does not want to use student works to promote their programs?</p>

<p>SCAD is expensive, and I would recommend to any student to look at cheaper options. Great programs and faculty can be found at state colleges and community colleges. However, I would also tell these students that if they really wanted to go to SCAD and were put off by posts such as your own, they have nothing to worry about. The past is the past. It’s been 20 years. Put it to bed.</p>

<p>Well said, Raining.</p>

<p>I was a student for one year majoring in Industrial Design.
For the amount of money they charge, my experience of the
school was not thrilling. One word: decent. </p>

<p>I cannot speak for the other majors, but if you are planning
to major in industrial design or furniture design, you’re building
is located in a very undesirable part of Savannah. The building itself
is also oppressive. There is very little natural light and no place to sit and
relax outside. Not to mention that maintenance is not a high priority for scad. </p>

<p>All in all, if you are ambitious and have a strong desire to succeed, you WILL
do it! Regardless of which school you go to. However, in MY HUMBLE OPINION,
SCAD is not worth the money they ask for. They accept almost anyone and incentivize
them with scholarships. There are bright and talented students, but they are by far the minority.</p>

<p>Sadly, Scad is a SCAM. The Interior Design, Graphic Design, and Architecture programs are considered adequate but expensive. Trust me, if you decide to go here, you won’t brag about it afterward.</p>

<p>The campus is unsafe. I was mugged within a month of being there, and someone tried to break down my backdoor one afternoon with me inside. I called the police, but the would-be burglar (or whatever) had fled. </p>

<p>The only thing SCAD is good at is selling SCAD. The programs are garbage, the facilities are ridiculously meager considering the cost of the school… and there’s the thing: the school is hugely expensive, for profit, offers little in the way of internship/scholarships/assistance-ships etc… I went there for a year, was miserable, owe them money and will regret the decision the rest of my life. Get on campus and sit in on some classes if you are considering it - they will flat out lie to you if you merely speak with them or read about them online. </p>

<p>The reason this school has extreme, polar reactions is current/former students are embarrassed. The school isn’t particularly hard to get into, terribly expensive and inadequate, and students feel bound to their decision due to the difficulty of getting into the top-tier art schools.</p>

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<p>Through its FOX Sports University education initiative, FOX Sports challenged a group of gifted, young design students from Savannah College of Art and Design (SCAD) to help create the concept and design of the Super Bowl XLVIII opening animation.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bMJvyRDy0Y”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bMJvyRDy0Y&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>FOX Sports Super Bowl XLVIII Opening Animation
<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSXd7O5bjpo”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSXd7O5bjpo&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

Doesn’t worth the money. At all.
First of all they lie everybody about the scholarship. First they say that you’ve received this much as an ANNUAL amount, but once you’re in, they cut it to 2/3. SCAM.
Also they’ll tell you there are more scholarships once you’re in. don’t ever count on that. I’ve been there 2 years, never seen a single soul get more funds than what they offered in the first place.
Secondly, they call themselves “the university of creative careers” while the career adviser may never even see you during your whole time of study (true story- happened to a couple of people) and will never answer your emails and inquiries ( happened to myself, all the time). In some departments even the career adviser herself is a recent graduate student. It doesn’t matter if the student/adviser has a lot of connections and is a successful one in her field herself, but unfortunately this is not the case here.
In one sentence, the day you graduate, they kick you out of school, and you are ALL BY YOUR OWN. of course they always want to hear about your success stories to brag about, you know.
And last but not least, Savannah is beautiful and all, but what I was looking for as an student/ job seeker was knowing people in the filed, and making connections. They have a career fair every year, but it’s mostly about small local businesses, so if you’r in film/digital media/fashion/writing/sequential arts, it’s gonna be a time waster.
All and all, if I had the knowledge I have today, I would never waste my time and money in SCAD, I’d go to a big city, meet real people, and attend a school that really cares about students, and not wants to rip them off, even on the commencement day by trying to sell them $200 mandatory gowns.

Nothing is hidden. I found a description of how annual scholarships are disbursed at:
http://www.scad.edu/admission/financial-aid-and-scholarships/scholarships/incoming-students

It says, “An annual award is intended to be disbursed over 45 hours of credit earned in three quarters at SCAD.” As far as finding a job is concerned, yeah – you’re on your own. Time to figure out how to navigate the world as an adult.

Let’s look at some of the rankings:

Design Intelligence 2015: #1 interior design, #3 industrial design (ungraduate); #4 interior design, #7 industrial design (graduate).

GDUSA 2014: #10 top design schools today (graphic/advertising design).

Fashionista 2014: #11 - top 50 fashion design schools in the world (lower than Parson’s and FIT; higher than Pratt and RISD).

Animation Career Review 2015: #3 - top 50 animation schools in the US (behind CalArts and Ringling).

Hollywood Reporter 2015: #15 - top 25 film schools in the US (ahead of CCC, Ringling, RISD, FSU, Syracuse . . . ).

Realistically, these are going to be more objective measures of quality than personal experience or testimony. Schools play to the rankings - there is no doubt about that. But that’s a general problem, not a problem with one particular school. Broadly, the higher the ranking the more successful the outcomes in the relevant industry.

It’s been mentioned that SCAD is expensive and that is certainly true, as it is for ALL private schools (esp. private art/design schools). But it’s a good $8,000 - $9,000 less than RISD, MICA or Pratt when you look at Cost of Attendance. Anyone interested in figuring out a decent net cost estimate is welcome to use SCAD’s online calculator. I have always found those tools - especially when they provide an estimate of merit aid - to be very useful. They allow you to understand from the get-go (and certainly months before the financial aid letter arrives) whether the school is truly affordable for you. The earlier one finds this out, the better.