<p>If I weren’t at least 99% sure, I would not withdraw. It’s not your job to open up spots for other students. Let the colleges deal with those who are accepted and choose not to enroll.</p>
<p>As they say, it’s a jungle out there, and it’s your right to give yourself the best situation possible.</p>
<p>MacnCheese4321: This is not rocket science. Colleges employ statisticians to calculate declination rates. That is how Yale, Harvard, Princeton and all the rest of selective colleges roughly know-- within a few percentage points – how many students they need to accept to achieve a desired class size. When there is a doubt, Admissions Offices are conservative; they accept fewer students and increase the size of their waitlist.</p>
<p>Dear Gibby,</p>
<p>I’m sorry for provoking in my comment (previous page)… </p>
<p>you mentioned you were objecting to my statement being general, and not toward HYPS. I think you should reread what I wrote, if you haven’t already. The second word in my post was “HYPS”, and the first paragraph was how the endowments of tier one schools and almost every other school (including name brand Big Ten universities talked about at least as much as professional sports) are worlds apart. </p>
<p>Your comment about my advice being terrible was also essentially what I said… </p>
<p>I stand by my previous comment, especially considering I was in that exact situation during ‘college selection’ that spring. Money is by far the least important priority, when it comes to going to a school you truly want to go to (ex. Harvard) versus local community college for $3k/semester. While I sympathize with families (perhaps new ones) who don’t have the kind of income most American’s have, how money-tight a family is does not matter to anyone whatsoever outside of FA, in regards to choosing that beloved dream school. The best schools have the best FA, so it is almost certainly not going to be an issue - get a student loan and/or plan for more income, and don’t complain about it like Mr. Entitlement Handouts. Especially, don’t get a degree in Trends in Cuban Art and not plan ahead, or you’ll be with the Occupy Wall St crowd!</p>
<p>Here is my previous statement: <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/13708126-post9.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/13708126-post9.html</a></p>
<p>MacnCheese4321: Google “Higher Education Yield Management Solutions” and you fill find a handful of companies that are trying to sell their yield prediction services to colleges.</p>
<p>Gordon: I would expect nothing less from someone who’s CC name is synonymous with greed and Wall Street! </p>
<p>Google “college debt” and you will find many articles from noted publications such as the NYTimes, WSJ, MSNCBC, Money Magazine etc that question whether the 99% should be going into debt for a college education. For you, I guess it doesn’t matter. I wish my family was in your situation!</p>
<p>I’m terribly sorry for provoking… I think anyone who has doubts about being employed immediately after school (no summer interns, liberal arts major, etc.) should contact the FA office. There shouldn’t be too much of an issue since most of these dream schools have the largest endowments, with Harvard funding over 60% of the student body. Also never discount how much money a student work-study can bring over four years. Unless if someone in your family somewhere really can outright pay for college without feeling anything, have multiple plans for tuition. By far the most common case is graduates don’t get their job and are stuck with loans they never thought to take care of in the first place!</p>
<p>And if you do get that summer internship… it’d be wise to execute on some of that mentorship you received and make money on the street! 
Good luck Mac/cheese</p>
<p>Don’t withdraw. I know from a few friends that you can literally haggle financial aid packages with colleges by comparison. So if College A gave you 15k and College B gave you 25 K, but you would rather attend College A, contact them and let them know College B gave you way more and they will most likely up their package (unless it’s someplace ridiculous like NYU). I never did it, personally (ED to Columbia U) but I know quite a few people who did. Some schools are too stubborn, but it’s worth the shot.</p>
<p>Can we go back to post #19 ---- maybe I just dont understand, but SCEA is allowing you to apply to only 1 college early. Why would you have applied SCEA (single choice early action) to multiple schools?</p>
<p>How can you withdraw an app that you should not have put in in the first place according to SCEA rules? Is this because the OP was so uber organized and applied to YP at same time he applied to H, back in Nov., indicating those apps were RD, or is it b/c he sent in his apps by Jan1 to the YPetc?</p>
<p>^OP is asking anyone who already got into their SCEA school to withdraw their RD applications since the folks who got in SCEA are usually the kind that are quite attractive to the other elite schools too and may occupy several admissions on April 1st. </p>
<p>For RD, someone could have applied on September 1st. You are just putting in a preference and so when you applied is irrelevant, the fact you are under consideration is relevant since you may be providing a tough competition to the rest of the pool.</p>
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<p>Right, but even if you are accepted RD and choose not to attend because you’ve already accepted EA elsewhere - that just means someone gets in from the waitlist. As far as I can see it’s an irrelevant concern - one student can only matriculate to one school.</p>
<p>^^ that may be true, but I suspect that the dynamics of choosing kids in the RD pool is different than choosing them from the waitlist. In the RD pool, you are balancing out the class inclusive of people who may actually reject the college, and so the college needs to cast a wider net. By the time the waitlist rolls round, the class has basically been formed as so the net is much, much finer and the adcoms works to add a drop of paint here and there to the class. Thus, I argue that you are better off being in the RD pool for consideration as your application will be read with a broader view (thus the SCEAs should be begged to drop out!) than you are in the waitlist pool, where you really have to hit some specific missing element in the class.</p>
<p>placido, even if your assumptions about the selection process of RD -> acceptance, vs RD->waitlist->acceptance are true, it doesn’t change the fact that the numerical odds of being admitted are not altered one bit by a SCEA acceptee not withdrawing his or her ap. Again, one student can only matriculate to one school, and each school will fill all of their available spots.</p>
<p>If the adcom is looking for a specific missing element from the waitlist that they were not during RD, then the possessor of said missing element is in!</p>
<p>Dropping out of RD only benefits the University since it will show a higher yield rate.</p>
<p>[200</a> Taken Off Waitlist | News | The Harvard Crimson](<a href=“http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2008/5/13/200-taken-off-waitlist-span-stylefont-weight/]200”>200 Taken Off Waitlist | News | The Harvard Crimson)</p>
<p>When Harvard eliminated early admissions, they could not accurately predict their yield, so they ended up accepting fewer students and taking 200 kids from the waitlist. (By comparison, last year they took 31 from the waitlist.)</p>
<p>With HYPS all having non-binding SCEA this year, Harvard and other top schools, will have an equally hard time predicting their yield. My best guess: Harvard will probably admit fewer students and take more students from the waitlist.</p>
<p>There are people out there who accepted or already bound to some of these schools.</p>
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<li> Sports recruits - They are eliminated from consideration by other Ivies when they are committed and admitted to the school of their choice.</li>
<li> Legacies usually have a high percentage of yield.</li>
<li> Asians have a high percentage of yield - in 2011, Harvard’s admits vs final pool had a difference of 2% (went from 18 to 20% with a yield of 90+%).</li>
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<p>So harvard early admits are probably at 50-60% committed already even if some have not actually accepted. Harvard knows precisely what to expect even if they don’t tell the general public.</p>