Right but that was dumb. Crowded place. No masks.
Are you saying that students who return to college aren’t going to go to bars? Not sure how one drinks a drink through a mask, so I don’t see how it works to wear a mask in a bar.
College students would never do something so silly.
They can say do not come back to campus for x amount of days ( general thought is 14) but they can not force anyone who is not living on campus to stay in a room , what are they gonna do , knock on the door and say to the landlord we would like to place Johnny on 24 hour lockdown, we are sending over a bouncer to make sure he stays in his room???
I’ll take a piece of that. Ivy law school grad. I would have been thrilled to take most, if not all, my law school classes online and I don’t think I am an outlier. Back in the Day, a law degree was the ultimate certification and none of us would have cared much how we got it. My NESCAC classmates respected the scholarship and even admired the character and personalities of some of our professors. But, nothing in their teaching styles required being in the same room with them; they talked for 50 minutes and we took notes; that was it. I would have preferred a lot more clinical trial work, but that was just getting off the ground by the time I graduated.
Most student code of conducts have a provision saying they can be punished for what happens off-campus is well. If they hear of and can prove that students left during quarantine, they can be punished through suspension or expulsion.
They can say, “Johnny, you’re expelled. Goodbye. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.” Or they can say, “Johnny, you’re suspended for a year. Come back in September 2021.” They don’t have to put up with defiance of health and safety rules that Johnny agreed to.
Also posted this in the Fall 2020 college openings thread:
American released their plan–some classes online only, some part online/part in person but it seems no classes will be 100% in person. Sending students home at Thanksgiving, starting on time Aug 24.
As to housing, all dorms have been made singles and freshman are given priority. That means all sophomores (who are guaranteed campus housing and selected rooms in February) have had their contracts cancelled and now either have to reenter a new housing lottery or go off-campus. The new housing options include 2 hotels, one a 30 minute walk and the other apparently close to an hour, plus it seems kids are still required to have the school meal plan if they have “on campus” housing. Some juniors and seniors who thought they had rooms on campus are also now scrambling for off campus housing.
It is unclear whether these students who live 30-60 minutes away yet must get their food on campus will have a place to eat as the dining room is by reservation only (most food is take out), common areas are all reconfigured for distancing, and no one except residents allowed in dorms.
Plus there’s the fact that some students may have an online class followed shortly by an in person class (or vice versa), and have to have a place on campus to set up shop. Outdoors will work for a while, but not in late fall or in the rain.
They are having a webinar to discuss the plan tomorrow, may get more clarity and info then.
Is there a source for the Loyola Chicago announcement about only two classes returning? It is not in today’s update to the covid web site. I have a friend who is lining up off campus apt for her LUC sophomore.
@TS0104 shoot. A good friend of my husband’s told him about Loyola today. He has an incoming freshman. I’m not sure how he knows that. Maybe his son got an email? I know, for Bowdoin, students get email updates and then those updates show up on the Coronavirus Bowdoin page usually by the next day.
So UCLA just sent out an email to the freshman currently living in Los Angeles that the college doesn’t have dorms for them and they will either have to live at home or get off campus apartments (which is very expensive in Westwood). What a mess…
Does UCLA allow freshmen to take a gap year?
I don’t understand what is driving some schools to decide that singles are necessary for all. Why can’t they just define roommates as a family unit and be done with it? CDC recommendations are silent on this issue, maybe that’s part of the problem. I do understand that it’s ultimately safer wrt covid-19 to live alone, but there are many downsides, including this UCLA situation.
I mean, where are those students going to go and pay anything close to what a room at UCLA would cost? Unless of course they all get roommates, and cram as many students together as they can to bring the price down. Hello, dense living situation. And a greater proportion of students off campus to throw parties and generally be out of sight of school enforcement activities.
I must be missing something why so many administrators think this makes sense.
At large schools , say Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers for example, they have no way to know, that is a fact, no one is going into a house to see if you are gonna stay in your room, one it is private property , 2, what about commuters, are schools gonna walk into my house to make sure my kid is staying in his room, not gonna happen. Again a school can say do not come back onto campus, but that is where their power ends. They can not make anyone off campus stay in one room for 14 days. Schools will have a hard enough time trying to enforce rules on campus, I feel for the RA’s this coming year, a impossible job.
And now some schools are requiring students to pay for dorms even if the campus closes due to covid and they cannot stay there… I really have no words.
I guess with that honor code I should expect ever frat and bar off campus to close, and in NYC , it is almost impossible to get into an apt, unless you are a resident, maybe NYU will have drones fly into windows 
That’s ridiculous!
For those of you with off campus students saying they cannot be policed, do you believe they should quarantine or isolate if asked to do so? Would they do it because it’s what would be asked by their doctor to do or because those are the county’s rules?
Some of you seem against that idea now that it’s clear it should be the rules for your kids too and not just those in dorms.
Maybe Western Carolina just flat out can not afford to give room refunds. Some schools are seriously on the brink of survival. Not saying it’s right.
@Mwfan1921 asked:
It looks like the idea of having an entire wing devoted to COVID-19 quarantines has lost some of its luster. The main concern is to find a place anywhere on campus where the student can have his or her own bathroom if they don’t already have one (and I can’t think of many places where private bathrooms are the norm.) So, in that case, it’s just easier to extricate one person rather than finding adequate rooms for a pair of roommates.
I think that’s the reasoning.