It is consistent with prevailing viewpoints in the executive branch about colleges, foreigners/immigrants, and what to do about COVID-19.
@cptofthehouse correct. All classes remote. Likely, they will still try to do some programming so that the freshmen can get to know each other. That’s what Bowdoin is doing and why they chose freshmen to be on campus in the fall
Rutgers is going to online instruction for the fall:
https://www.rutgers.edu/news/rutgers-university-announces-fall-2020-plans
President Hollaway: “We have wanted very fervently to be able to resume some version of a normal semester,” Holloway said in a message to the Rutgers community. However, “because of the ongoing requirements for social distancing and guided by our paramount priority of safeguarding the people of our university community, we determined that most courses this fall will have to rely on remote methods of instruction – delivered both in real time and asynchronously.”
I am so relieved about this because it vastly increases the chances that my employer will follow suit, as we consider state schools our competitors for students.
Yes. Online classes and in person first years and some others.
But then if classes are all online, you have to question whether many students will want to come back to campus just for 3 or 4 months? For example, Stanford has freshman in fall, then they have to leave for winter/spring and then they come back for summer? Then they leave and come back to campus again a few weeks later for Fall 2021. It just seems nuts to me…
By the way, I just read that all Princeton undergrads (whether they are remote or not) will get a 10% tuition discount…at least there’s that…
Yes, it will matter. A lot of schools paid attention to the quick Ivy decisions in March. You can say they were just ahead of the curve but I know for a fact that many ADs noticed. And they quickly followed. The Penn AD chairs the D1 council btw.
Princeton juniors and seniors have the option of living off campus every year. Very few do. Not only is there not much local affordable housing, but living on campus is pretty great. I don’t see many passing up the chance if it’s offered.
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Maybe but those students aren’t really immigrants…they’re only allowed to come to the US to study and then they have to return home. I’m thinking it’s more a swipe at China since they send the most students.
Thanks! I am far removed from the world of sports, so truly did not know.
I was not at all surprised when Yale announced its closing, and they were not the first as the students were all away on a two week break, but they emailed students on March 2nd suggesting they take additional items home with them for break, so the writing was on the wall.
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I’m hoping CUNY makes the same decision. D would rather do the entire fall semester online from home than have it start in-person then revert to online. The housing is so cramped and costly in the city.
In normal times, I’m sure living on the Princeton campus is wonderful but just wondering how many Sophomores will chose to live on campus next spring semester for only 3.5 months when all classes are online, limited access to buildings and faculty, and heavy restrictions like mask wearing, social distancing, testing, no dining clubs, etc? How many sophomores will come back for this?
@socaldad2002 Yes, I agree that’s an open question. I thought you were saying they’d come back and live off campus in Princeton, which I don’t think will happen. But if on campus life is bleak at some of these schools, I agree a semester at home might start looking okay.
question for @homerdog – How is Bowdoin going to enforce the non-resident students not entering campus? We visited Bowdoin on a college tour last year, I don’t recall a wall around the campus or a single entry point, but maybe I’m mistaken? Are they just planning for general compliance? Or maybe it’s OK to walk on campus, but you just can’t enter any buildings? Those could have card-key access I guess.
It turns out ICE is on to my scheme; an international student has to take, basically, all their classes in person or they’re liable to be deported. This is so bad. This will be the death knell for a lot of colleges: either bring back all students and risk an outbreak, or lose all the international students’ full tuition revenue. And what’s the school supposed to do if the local area closes up classes? Apparently colleges are supposed to pretend there is no covid.
There just aren’t many students in Brunswick period. It’s not like there are kids living off campus trying to get on campus. Bowdoin’s students come from 50 states. Only something like 10 percent are from Maine. For the kids trying to live together “off campus”, we don’t know anyone who has found a place in Brunswick. There’s just not short term renting options there. Some kids might go to Maine but not Brunswick. And, yes, all buildings would have to be entered by key card. Many buildings are already like that during a regular semester. I guess you could walk on campus. It’s not gated but they are asking everyone not to do that. There are no friends to visit. Can’t get in buildings. They’ve also asked everyone to stay off of the fields, etc.
It’s a small campus. I’m sure campus security will be out. The school isn’t furloughing any staff. They will likely just ask anyone to leave who is not supposed to be there.
More on the ICE thing: Let’s say you’re an international student admitted to an American university. You are thrilled to be going, but in your country, the embassy is closed for awhile so you can’t get a visa. But your college has mostly in-person classes, so you’d be eligible for a visa, once the embassy opens up and processes visas.
So, naturally, you have the notion that you’ll stay in your own country first semester and take online classes, then join your classmates in person in January, when your paperwork has been processed.
BZZZT! Nope. If you take online classes at your school, you are then ineligible for the student visa.
OK, I guess that makes sense then. I pictured more students living nearby, but not on, campus. But also I thought they might have friends on campus that they’d want to meet up with. Forgot it was only freshmen and a few others that will be living there.
@“Cardinal Fang” – Yes, this is a big problem for many international students and colleges!! My D attends Davidson where they are planning to do online, hybrid and a small number of ‘flex’ f2f classes (honestly, I don’t even know what they mean by that – we should get details soon).
I imagine Davidson will work to make sure international students have at least one hybrid course so they can stay in the country!! Sheesh, I mean can we be anymore inhospitable to students who, after all, already have student visas to be here!!
I do not support this ruling, but neither am I surprised by it. I hope they get enough pressure to reverse course.
Yes, Princeton students will come back to campus whenever they can. That is what they do. And alumni try to come back every June. The only reason people will rent houses is to wait with other tigers until the dorms open up for them. Chat groups already meeting up and discussing short term rental options.
This is so wrong on so many levels.