The students who are already here HAVE to live near the school and take all the courses they can online. If the schools don’t allow in person classes, those students need to prepare to go back to their home countries. That’s the rule now - they can’t take online courses (maybe one). ICE is making clear that while things have changed and they gave a little bit in the spring, the rules don’t allow for an entire semester online.
We’re all making changes to our plans. Several US students wanted to study abroad or do international internships, but those plans had to change. Some international student will have to take a gap year or study online from their home countries.
Not that long ago (hmm, March), there was an uproar that we didn’t close down the country fast enough. Why the rush to open it up to international students now? Yes, there are student who are here already and couldn’t travel home, but there are still rules about student visas and F1, and they are that all classes can’t be online. The schools have the power to change that now and not wait until September. ICE is giving them a warning.
@twoinanddone What?? Maybe it’s dangerous to have classes in person. In that case, when a college makes that difficult decision, they are supposed to give up on their international students (some of whom come from very difficult circumstances at home) and just tell them sorry but they have to go back home? If a college believes it’s not safe to have class, they should add in-person classes to keep their international students? That’s all messed up. I don’t see how sending students home who stayed here since March makes any sense at all. We all know why ICE made this decision.
It is the existing policy. International students cannot take all their courses online. In fact, it looks like the dept of education will allow international student to take more online classes if the school is offering a hybrid selection of classes if the international takes in person courses when possible.
It’s an unfortunate fallout of schools going online but there are valid reasons to require international students to take inperson classes in order to get a visa.
They could have gone home in March. For some it is a hardship or thought they wouldn’t get back into the US (and I get that), but a student visa doesn’t promise four years of guaranteed study in the US. Things happen, and students lose their visas.
If it isn’t safe to hold in person classes, why do the international students need to be in the US? The school isn’t giving up on the internationals, they are just teaching them in the same way they are teaching all the other students - remotely. The Internationals can return when in person classes resume. Why is that different than the student from Arizona or Hawaii or Illinois? Everyone go home, come back when classes are in person.
I’m interested to see what NYC does about reopening k-12 schools. There are so many challenges there the largest school system in the country with 1.1M students. And will the powerful NYC teacher union be able to have a significant say? And then Mayor DiBlasio and Governor Cuomo have already butted heads over who/how has the authority to reopen schools.
These schools will need to adjust their plan or the student will need to leave the country. It’s fairly easy to allow the international students to stay on campus and take 1 class if that is important to the university.
The colleges knew about this rule and did nothing to help the international students. Harvard chose to go all online, knowing this rule existed.
I guess the thinking from DOE is…if all classes are virtual, then you can take your classes at home in your country and there is no need to be in a foreign country during a pandemic. Now of course, whoever is already in this country should be able to stay
Playing devils advocate here…even US students are in a jam with every college having different reopening policies. It is unfair to all involved.
Every student both foreign and domestic are being harmed. this is a health crisis is affecting all education k-college.
this is not the best time to study in another country…it’s not even the nest time to study in our own country.
A vaccine will be our only hope to getting back to normal.
Georgetown to allow freshman and select seniors allowed to live on campus in Fall.
First-year students and select upperclassmen will be allowed to live on campus during the fall semester, Georgetown University administrators announced in an email Monday detailing the plan for fall 2020.
Our school district in AZ (yes, the state that’s a hot spot) is doing the same. Returning to classes in mid-August. Insane IMO. The choice before our rising high school junior is to go back in person (3,500 total possible students and no plan to distance) and take the classes she’s already registered for ( AP English comp, AP cal BC, AP Spanish, AP Bio, AP Chem, and APUSH) or take remedial courses online (English 3, Spanish 3, and three other non AP, non-honors classes to fill in the gap).
There is a two word phrase for this. The first word starts with a “B” and the second with an “S”.