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I mean, WTH LOL?
“No one else in the whole of the US is currently forced to live like that.”
Even though this is a college site, I don’t think you’re going to get a lot empathy for college students, given what front line workers are going through. They’re the ones forced to work and if they get covid, forced to quarantine for 14 days.
Nobody is forcing college kids to attend a college with a flowing river, rock climbing walls, dining options similar to a 5 star hotel.
The mental health issues you bring up are legitimate and I hope that these colleges are still providing counseling services, even if it’s virtual.
Spouse is a 1st grade teacher at a private school that typically follows the guidelines of the very large public school district. We’re in FL. In a two week period they went from no mandatory masks, to everyone wears a mask. She’s scheduled to be back on 8/5 with schools opening on 8/10. If the numbers continue their current trend, I just don’t see how that is possible.
Even if it is, and even with the precautions of spreading out the classroom, no group activities, no lunch room, no leaving the classroom to change classes (teachers will come to them), etc. try getting a room full of 6 yr olds to follow in kind.
It actually is working in China, Japan and other countries. Big difference in culture. Those kids respect and don’t challenge authority. If a teacher says keep your mask on, they will. I fear it will be quite different here when kids get whiney about all this stuff. And mom and dad want to bypass the new regs because Johnny or Suzie doesn’t like wearing their mask or sitting still in a row of desks.
Not what spouse signed up for. However, I suspect it will all go remote (also not what she signed up for) about 30 days in down here.
At the risk of stating the obvious, Harvard is not a LAC, the requirement is for interaction, not teaching, and Harvard deliberately used the term course staff rather than faculty. It knows the difference.
I am growing more anxious about H returning to school. Still no plan - obviously nothing changed over the weekend. But he got a text that a specials teacher in a neighboring district was just informed she would become a classroom teacher despite no certifications/endorsements. The VDOE is waiving those this year, she was told.
I can only imagine this year if H, after 28 years of teaching elem PE, is told he has to become a classroom teacher with only a few days to prepare. (He has 3 weeks to go.) Assisting is one thing. Leading is another. I checked if he retires now, he will lose 40% of his pension, so that is not an option.
I told him maybe he would get kindergarten. He is fabulous with keeping little ones under control, on task, etc. He especially has good rapport with the project kids. But then he mentioned that is the grade where they still need lots of bathroom help. Will they even allow male teachers to assist female students in the bathroom? I would think not, but who knows. Ugh.
And then the whole temperature check deal. Who will that fall to? Probably H. He does bus duty for hundreds of kids every morning all by himself. So, he gets to be in close contact with hundreds of germy kids every morning. Lovely. And reading the comments on the neighboring distict’s plan about how glad they were that masks were not mandatory because they were not going to have their kids in masks did not ease my mind.
Thanks to this site, I did buy him some nice cloth masks and a face shield for his bday later this month. A few are superhero/star wars themed. I think he will be happy with that. He happily wears his disposables now, but I think there will be a big difference between 20-30 min in a store and trying to teach all day.
I’ve pretty much resigned myself that he will come down with it by September and then on to me. I may start sleeping in a separate bedroom, but then I feel guilty. Edit: over the weekend our area also increased our total cases by 21%! I knew it would happening with everyone refusing to give up their annual Myrtle Beach trips.
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I admit it. I’m lost. Are you for or against what Harvard has proposed?
Add to the myriad of other concerns…
Heard a newscaster talking about schools reopening and she mentioned that she has a five year old and can picture the children swapping masks as if it were part of dress-up. Oh, look, cool…you have the princess mask and I have the super hero…let’s trade.
I am so sorry for both of your spouses.
Cuomo just announced the metrics for reopening NYS schools. It will be on a regional basis, as with the general reopening. A region must be in Phase IV and have a 14-day-average infection rate under 5%. If it goes over 9% on a 7-day average, schools will close again. Currently every region is well under 2%. Decisions will be released the first week of August.
I find this funny… Not at you. My son’s such the opposite. Sure study groups but his last semester he was locked up in his apartment and studying in his room is more normal for him. Since being home since like last week of April he is still doing work, taking a certification course, talking to friends and doing activities till very late at night. All in his bedroom… Lol… Sometimes we forget he is still here… Lol ??
@Knowsstuff that’s the difference between an upperclassman studying engineering who chose a big school and a freshman who chose a liberal arts school because he wanted lots of personal interaction!
So if 20% of people having covid is enough to confer herd immunity, how then did Corona Park in Queens get to 60%?
@“Cardinal Fang” --I have been meaning to look into that NYC antibody survey. (It was antibodies, wasn’t it?) Do you have details, as I am curious about the self-selection?
I thought I heard that 60+% in Corona, Queens tested +, but 13% in Cobble Hill, Brooklyn, but I also thought these figures were based on those who came into a clinic. Do you know why there were in the clinic? In other words, how random was the sample, and/or do we need to discount for selection bias.
I don’t feel much empathy for the college students. If they want to go and live on campus they’re going to have to deal with the rules laid down. The better they follow them, the better chance they have of staying there. What’s being asked of them is not that difficult. Also, not everyone in that age group is out partying and socializing with friends.
It says 2-4 hours of ‘live’ class time. It doesn’t say that it will be at 10 am wherever the student is. The teachers schedule their class time, the students adjust.
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quote ]I thought I heard that 60+% in Corona, Queens tested +, but 13% in Cobble Hill, Brooklyn, but I also thought these figures were based on those who came into a clinic. Do you know why there were in the clinic? In other words, how random was the sample, and/or do we need to discount for selection bias.
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I live not far from Cobble Hill and I can tell you that in the the days following the George Floyd killing that the walk-in clinics were doing a brisk business in antibody testing. Brooklyn was an epicenter for the direct actions that followed in the wake of that killing.
No surprise here. You are only going to see the Power 5 conferences (BIG 10, BIG 12, PAC 12, SEC, and ACC) that will attempt to have football (and other revenue generating sports) and they will play only within their own conferences, in a shortened season.
It’s all about the money. These conferences can spend $10s of millions on safety precautions and other measures because they can make multiples of that number by playing in college sporting events this year.
For the Patriot league, the cost vs. benefit is just not there. By the way the US Military and U.S. Naval Academies which are in the Patriot league are exempt from the cancellation.
Three teachers who shared a classroom got coronavirus, and one of them died
I agree here. I believe that many engineering types will have better academic results should they be required (or choose) to takes classes online. The internet is not the best medium for those needing lots of personal, hands-on interaction.
I live not far from Cobble Hill and I can tell you that in the the days following the George Floyd killing that the walk-in clinics were doing a brisk business in antibody testing. Brooklyn was an epicenter for the direct actions that followed in the wake of that killing.
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@circuitrider — Interesting. So even though there were many protests in the area, the local population still had a lower rate of antibodies?
I really need to go search for the report to confirm my thinking that the results were not completely random, but only from those who presented themselves at clinics, thinking they were likely to have been tested.
I had the same question with the NYC April antibody study in grocery stores and big box retailers. Those who worked there were tested, and we would expect the store employees working eight hour shifts to have a greater chance of exposure. Same for the shoppers, but to a far lesser extent.
Not arguing or debating…just curious.
Nope. We have been around this block before. He gets plenty of 1:1 with his professors. He talks to some weekly. Why you continue to think large school are so impersonal, don’t really understand that. He has “always” been this type of kid. He’s very comfortable knowing who he is and with himself. If he needs to study in his room or a library either one, he will make work. He just doesn’t make a big deal out of everything. He tackles the situation he has head on and moves on.
Sorry, didn’t mean to get into this just thought how the difference was funny to me. Also my Lac daughter just made it work. More of what your probably talking about. Instead of just “dropping” in to chat with a professor she just did it online. Again, she will make whatever situation just work and not dwell on it. .