<p>Stats:</p>
<p>White Female
Math, Biological Neuroscience degrees
GPA 3.8; sGPA 3.88,
MCAT 33 (with a ding)
Extensive clinical and resarch experience (~2000+ hours in each)
2 poster, 1 pub in review, 1 national conference presentation scheduled
Heaps of academic honors, 1 national summer fellowship
Other ECs typical</p>
<p>Other requirements: No NYC or DC (hates both cities); Would prefer schools with early clinical</p>
<p>Here's the list so far:</p>
<p>Stanford
Duke
UCSF
Case
Northwestern
Emory
Yale
Brown
UMichigan (employer, LORs from SOM faculty)
Dartmouth
Baylor
UVA
USC
OHSU
OSU
Tufts
UColorado
UNM (instate)
URochester (undergrad)
UWisconsin
Wake Forest
Temple
UMinnesorta (low OOS, but has national center for MR--her research field)
BU </p>
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<p>I think her list is too top heavy. Open to suggestions.</p>
<p>I agree that it’s kind of top-heavy, but at the same time, she also has a mix of schools that should be likelies for her, such as her state school and her undergrad (assuming Roch shows some preference for Roch grads). </p>
<p>It looks pretty clear that she like research, so I think it makes sense to apply to research-heavy schools. </p>
<p>If I were hellbent on a list like this, with a vaguely similar situation (fine GPA, OK-but-not-great MCAT (mine was 30, hers has a “ding”?), nice combination of extracurriculars) and the benefit of hindsight, I’d prioritize the likely apps (ie, do them first, weave elements that they value into all aspects of her application such as activities list and personal statement (eg my school is obsessed with patient-centered care, so I wove that in everywhere possible)) and recognize that there’s a good chance all those Hail Marys could end in nothing.</p>
<p>I personally wouldn’t advocate taking out the top schools in favor of mid-range schools. She should make sure she would love love love to go to any school that she applies to if she’s accepted, and you never know what might happen–while I’m only one data point, you may recall that my “lowly stats” yielded 3 top 20 interviews and no interviews at my “mid range” schools (no IIs by December, when I was accepted to my school and withdrew the rest of my apps). </p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
<p>I would say UCSF is a waste of time (matriculant avgs: 3.77/35, 80% CA residents) but since they’re one of the very small number of schools that actually rejects pre-secondary it can’t really hurt.</p>
<p>Are the other OOS state schools on her list particularly liberal with their state biases? Maybe pop a Temple or USF in there instead?</p>
<p>*MCAT 33 (with a ding) *</p>
<p>What do you mean? Does she have a low section? If so, which one and how low?</p>
<p>The below are fine except where noted…</p>
<p>Stats:</p>
<p>White Female
Math, Biological Neuroscience degrees
GPA 3.8; sGPA 3.88,
MCAT 33 (with a ding) </p>
<p>Here’s the list so far:</p>
<p>Stanford …maybe too reachy
Duke
UCSF…too reachy
Case
Northwestern
Emory
Yale
Brown
UMichigan (employer, LORs from SOM faculty)
Dartmouth
Baylor
UVA
USC
OHSU … Do these two take many OOS? Does she have any ties?
OSU … "
Tufts…is this SOM significantly more $$$
UColorado
UNM (instate)
URochester (undergrad)
UWisconsin
Wake Forest
Temple
UMinnesorta (low OOS, but has national center for MR–her research field)
BU </p>
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<p>Love the way you spelled, Minnesota…sounds appropriate.</p>
<p>Is there a reason that she doesn’t have any mid-level Midwest privates on there? Those seem to like people with her stats. When I look at SDN, the students with the MCAT 31 - 35 seem to do very well at these schools.</p>
<p>^why apply to mid level midwest privates when she is probably in at UNM. Waste of time and money</p>
<p>In general, I really really really advise against applying to OOS publics, ever. The only exception would be that if you can sit down and document that they have only a mild in-state preference based on their interview/applicant or admit/applicant ratios, but even there I’d be very careful about it. In almost every case, it’s better to apply to a mid-range private rather than an OOS public.</p>
<p>In your daughter’s case, I’d probably continue applying to Michigan, and MAYBE Virginia and Minnesota.</p>
<p>If you’re not concerned about secondary fees, then you can add some OOS publics with screened (e.g. UCSF) or easy secondaries, but that should be after an otherwise reasonable list.</p>
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<p>What does a “ding” mean? Otherwise a 3.88/33 stands a reasonable chance anywhere other than WUSTL, with maybe slightly long odds at Duke and OOS Baylor.</p>
<p>If she wants early clinicals and research, Penn is certainly the best school in the country for her. I don’t see any reason not to at least apply to Harvard (no secondary unless they’ve added one recently) and Hopkins. Her odds of admission to these three programs are probably better than many OOS publics!</p>
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<p>Go ahead and look up any school with stats at or below her range. They might include: Cornell, Pitt, Tulane, Rush, MCV.</p>
<p>There are a few other programs to be careful of because they might have deceptively low statistics, but come accompanied by very low admissions percentages. Back when I was applying, Wake, Georgetown, and BU were the most famous examples of this.</p>
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<p>(1) Maybe she’ll like another program better.
(2) “Probably” is not good enough.</p>
<p>Her ding–unbalanced sub scores. But none below 9.</p>
<p>She won’t retake since spring test dates conflict with her conference preparation. (mid-April)</p>
<p>UNM admissions are “flaky” and tend to favor rural and URM applicants over high stats. She could be “punished” for not having enough current in-state volunteering experience. (None since high school because she went OOS for college and now works OOS.)</p>
<p>OHSU takes about 25% OOS. OSU is about 40% OOS (and within driving distance of her BF). CU is trying to raise its research profile and takes 15-20% OOS. (Besides Denver is almost like being home. 48 minutes and $89 to get home via Southwest Air. D2 would dearly love to be back in the west.)</p>
<p>Not interested in WUSTL (thank goodness!)</p>
<p>She’d still be below average at Cornell and Pitt but definitely closer to average than at Duke or Stanford. Tulane, Rush and MCV sound like good additions based on stats alone.</p>
<p>Forgot to mention: interested in academic medicine. Has ruled out MD/PhD, but want a MD/MEng (in neurological imaging systems)</p>
<p>If the 9 is in Verbal, that doesn’t seem to hurt people all that much from what I’ve seen on SDN. Seems like a LOT of kids get a 9 in the V with higher scores in the other sections. (frankly, we were SHOCKED that S didn’t end up with a 8 or 9 in the V simply because that area has been his sore spot his entire life. He totally lucked out and probably just guessed right on a bunch of answers…lol).</p>
<p>Is there a reason that she’s not applying to any mid-level midwest privates? I’ve just seen a lot of successes at those with students with your D’s stats.</p>
<p>Too bad she doesn’t have a tie to our state. She’d be a shoo-in at both SOMs…her stats are more than fine and that want more girls. So far, all the OOS girls that S knows that attend his state school have gotten accepted to at least one of the SOMs with scholarships covering the OOS portion.</p>
<p>I like the suggestion of Tulane. Leave UVa and OHSU on among the OOS publics. (Knowing what I know about the applicant’s profile and the schools, I like her for Dartmouth and UVa. 
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<p>My kid’s un-dinged 33/3.96 research heavy app got crickets only from Penn and Stanford and Harvard. (But she’d apply again anyway.)</p>
<p>Well, Stanford has snubbed her twice in the past. I’m not sure why she even has it on the list except the parents of BFF just bought a house in Palo Alto. He’s a research prof at Stanford and she would have home away from home.</p>
<p>I might take out Wake and put in Vandy. And second the Harvard app (they love research and go-getters-NM resident working in Michigan BUT only if she REALLY would like to attend) and BU still sees MILLIONS of apps. But if she is truly interested…</p>
<p>Son loved temple, with all its pro and cons nice facility, dartmouth was cold and remote but a small class size and very intimate and personal, son loved the people. Also had the dual degree he wanted. </p>
<p>UCSF but not UCLA? Like the USC, like the Duke…don’t know about Stanford…reachy reach.</p>
<p>Son loved Cornell, sure she won’t put that one back on?</p>
<p>Kat</p>
<p>Hates NYC. Non-negotiable.</p>
<p>The metric I’d look at is not the percentage of the student body that originates from from out of state, but the admissions percentage for OOS applicants. And even when the individual numbers are okay, I still usually urge students to limit the number of OOS publics to which they apply. Is there some reason your D would really want to go to them?</p>
<p>OP does that Sgpa you listed include the math courses your daughter took? I’m asking because I am still confused about the way Sgpa works when applying to med schools.</p>
<p>The list is way too long! Do you really love that many schools?</p>
<p>sGPA is really your BCPM GPA. Biology Chemistry Physics Math, so yes, the sGPA provided includes math</p>