<p>So even after 9 college acceptances, I have decided to attend Collin College for two years in order to not go into 80k in debt. Could you all give me a list of programs that accept transfers as Juniors and do not make them start as a Freshman or Sophomore?</p>
<p>Most of the programs that accept transfers as juniors are BA programs rather than BFA programs. My D applied as a transfer in 2010, and the only school that accepted her as a junior was UCLA, which is a BA program. The other acceptances she got all would have required her to repeat either one or two years. Penn State accepted her as a sophomore. Of the remaining programs, most were not willing to commit to her class level until after she accepted their offer, and they analyzed her units. We were lucky in that PSU did a unit analysis prior to her accepting their offer, and told her they could place her as a sophomore. I know my D’s friend transferred to Texas State from a CC and was required to start as a freshman. Unfortunately, there are few programs that will not require you to start over as a transfer. It will definitely limit your choice of schools at the time you transfer. You are smart to look at your level of debt before committing to a program.</p>
<p>So basically…I’d haved to go to school for like 5 years? Not happening. Youth is a selling point in Show Business…If I graduate when I’m old, I might as well not go at all. :/</p>
<p>takeitallin is correct - most BFA program will only accept transfers as sophomores - it would take 5 years to earn a BFA. If that is “not happening” - then I would look into a non-degreed situation. You might be a candidate for a program like AMDA.</p>
<p>I am a transfer student at Ball Student University and I had a very smooth experience transferring.
They are warm welcoming with open arms to all transfers. 
I even had the great opportunity of performing in a main stage production my first semester!</p>
<p>Look into auditioned BA programs. If you complete most of your general ed requirements at community college, then you can transfer in as a junior. My D is at American and loves it. She has friends at Muhlenberg (which is fantastic and non-audition).</p>
<p>You will find that a lot of schools will only accept transfers as freshman and sometimes sophomore, simply because they want to see you get as much training as possible. If you are coming from a community college, you may have the credits you need to be considered a junior, but do they really want to graduate you in 2 years with students who have been training with them for 4 years? At some point, it’s like playing catch up. You can’t grow as much in an artist in 2 years as you can in 3 or 4 years, and you certainly can’t develop as strong of a bond with the faculty and the rest of your class. I know CCU took one transfer this year. She should be entering as a junior, but she will join the sophomore class (losing a year) because they just don’t think it’s fair for her to not recieve the same quality of training and not graduate on the same caliber as some of her peers. I’m sure some schools make exceptions and allow juniors, but I totally understand why most do not.</p>
<p>And quit thinking that 23 is old for goodness sake! </p>
<p>Only you can decide what you want to do with your life for the next 4 or 5 years. If you are going to go to Collin College, then you are in the D-FW area. So many great theatre opportunities there. Get out and audition for professional productions now if you like. No one is standing in your way. </p>
<p>If you truly want the experience of being an MT major in a 4 year college setting, start planning now for how you are going to pay for those 2 or 3 years finishing your degree. No one said this would easy. But if this is what you really want, then find a way to make it happen. Best of luck!</p>
<p>Yeah I thought transferring would make college more affordable…but If I’m going to go into the same debt…I might as well go to a 4 year.</p>
<p>23 is not old… you are looking to build a lifelong career… yes? </p>
<p>Only you and your family can decide what is within your resources to afford. There are MANY different paths to a similar outcome… you could decide not to go to school at all and to go right on to pursue professional work full time, supplementing with individual training. You could decide to obtain your AA at Collin and not pursue your Bachelors degree at this time, moving on to pursuing professional work, and continued training outside of school… you could go for two years and Collin and transfer to a 4 year college, picking and choosing your transfer options carefully… If it is an option you and your family could choose to take out higher debt for you to attend a four year program now. </p>
<p>None of these options are guarantees of success or failure in the performing arts industry over the long haul. </p>
<p>Completing an AA at Collin CAN help reduce the cost of college for you and your family…</p>
<p>If I am reading the website correctly:
In-County approximate tuition for 60 credits [based on current rate… this will likely go up slightly from year to year] – $2150
Out of County approximate tuition for 60 credits [based on current rate… this will likely go up slightly from year to year] – $4290</p>
<p>If you transfer to a Texas state school (or possibly a private school) with a pre-admission partnership or an articulation agreement you would likely be able to graduate within two more years. This may not be the case with an auditioned program (even at a school with the pre-admission partnership or articulation agreement), but you would likely be able to transfer to be a theatre major at a non-auditioned program in Texas and complete the requirements for graduation within two more years.</p>
<p>I teach at an auditioned BA program in VA… If you were to decide to transfer here after 2 years at Collin… It would likely take you three years (maybe 2.5) to complete the requirements here. I believe this would be the case with most programs… possibly longer for some… possibly only two years for others. Alexa is correct at many auditioned schools students with junior academic standing will likely join the class at sophomore/ sophomore+ level because “they just don’t think it’s fair for her to not receive the same quality of training and not graduate on the same caliber as some of her peers. I’m sure some schools make exceptions and allow juniors, but I totally understand why most do not.”</p>
<p>Collin looks like a great option with successful alumni. If your goal is to obtain a strong education without going 80K in debt it is a good option. However, you will need to be very specific in terms of the schools to which you look to transfer. In-State Schools will likely be your best option.</p>
<p>Ah crap I had a big old post and it got eaten.</p>
<p>Well trying to recreate it -
I do know this much about Collin. When D and I went to the NTDA auditions there last year, their sophomores swept those auditions. D and I weren’t really paying much attention to who got what, we were desperately trying to read the lists to find her name which was hard because it was literally 15 people deep for about an hour in front of those lists, and it was her very first audition and it was nervewracking and so we weren’t really taking much in. But we did notice that Collin students seemed to be getting on a lot of lists - you could almost not miss it. And they were the school lists that everyone wanted to see their names on - Oklahoma, Texas State, etc -it seemed a disproportionately large number of the Collin kids did really, really well.</p>
<p>I agree with the conventional wisdom about the issues of going to a cc when pursuing a BFA in MT or theater - pretty much guaranteed it will take extra semesters is what everyone says and our experiences last year confirmed this - but Collin is no ordinary cc when it comes to drama, and I think it is rather unique among cc’s, at least I have not heard of one with a program anywhere that well developed anywhere else in this region. It’s no accident they host those auditions there. It’s a huge school anyway, I think it’s got more students than my daughter’s entire University. And I bet you anything, if you were to talk to the director of the program (and perhaps you have already) that he could tell you quite a bit about how the drama programs in this region work with transfers from his program. I’ll eat my hat if he can’t - that’s speculation on my part but that is one serious drama department and it looked to me as if giving his sophomores an advantage was not a small part or a coincidence of why they host the NTDA’s. If he doesn’t have specifics right at hand I bet he could direct you to exactly who to talk to at the various programs to get a pretty good idea. I’m sure he’d be honest with you but it would obviously be best to get the info straight from the horses mouth at your desired transfer school before you make any final decisions - and yes, most of the time they won’t bother to see how your courses articulate until after you are accepted (and understandably so, that would be a huge huge time and research factor for them) but it’s possible they might have taken enough transfers from Collin to already know.</p>
<p>Even if you did repeat one semester or possibly two, if you do the math, it’s possible that it still might be considerably cheaper to start at Collin once you compare the total cost of both paths. 4 year uni’s are getting SO expensive, even state schools. You really can’t know unless you look at the specific programs and do the math - there are generalities which hold true in most cases, but there’s enough variation that I think it’s necessary to get down to the nitty gritty or you are just kind of guessing.</p>
<p>I’ll tell you something else to consider too - one of the schools we looked at for D was Stephen’s, which consistently makes it to the top 15 theater programs in the country in Princeton’s review. Real nice program. They are like most BFA programs in that transferring causes delays, but there is a private junior college which feeds a lot of girls to Stephens, and the director there is familiar enough and impressed enough with it that told me she would absolutely take a transfer from that school and because of the unique set up of Stephens, it would still only take 8 semesters to get a BFA.</p>
<p>So it seems as if there are sometimes some exceptions, depending on which cc and which transfer school…I think they are pretty highly unusual, and I think the vast majority of the time everything said in the previous posts turn out to be the case, but in the case of this particular school you might just investigate to see if it is not one of those really rare exceptions. You might also talk to some of the programs you are wanting to get into and see what they say when you ask them if they have had any transfers from Collin lately and if so, how did they fare as far as their credits transferring, etc.</p>
<p>If for some reason our D had had to go to a community college, there is no doubt that is the one I would have wanted her to be in.</p>
<p>Been doing some research. Sam Houston State MT, Milikin MT, and UCLA BA MT all have accepted transfers as Juniors. I am hoping I might get a job before I finish my two years at Collin, but it’s nice to know I can go somewhere.</p>
<p>UGH- it j ust did the same to me too Snapdragonfly. I hate how it does that if you take too long to post! Broadway- Snapdragon has some good suggestions ( and she always makes her points with such flare!)</p>
<p>Just be aware that UCLA’s tuition for OOS is something like $34,000 a year, and they have little money to give out. EVen as Calif. residents, it costs less for my D to attend Penn State than it would have for her to attend UCLA. In addition, they accept VERY few transfers- sometimes 0, sometimes 1 or 2. The year my D got in, she was the only one. They do not attend Unifieds, so you would have to travel to the school to audition, just one more added expense. Their funding is being cut more and more, and I worry about how it may continue to affect the program. Just something to consider-Good luck!</p>
<p>And check NOW with Millikin and SHSU to see if they offer academic scholarships to transfer students and if so, what the criteria is. That way you can work at getting the grades you need to be eligible for those awards. Best of luck!</p>
<p>Austinmtmom’s point is one I forgot and is very important - even for people with normal majors out in the normal world, (haha) it is important to find out about transfer scholarships vs freshmen scholarships and all that - a vital part of the formula when you do the math for comparisons.</p>
<p>Hi! Sorry to barge into the thread, but I have the exactly the same question as BroadwayKing17, except I am an international student and I know I’ll be about $200,000 in debt if I choose a good 4-year college (I’ve been accepted as a Music major with MT minor in Loyola Uni Chicago and I’m waiting for my BMus MT result from Rider U - Westminster College of the Arts).</p>
<p>I’m wondering now if it isn’t better to finish 2 years at a CC, and then transfer, but if it’s either freshman or sophomore transfer, there’s really no point. Also, a major factor, as BroadwayKing17 pointed out, is age, as I’ve already finished 3 years in college in India (and gotten a 3-year BS in Electronic Media - I’m looking at a change in career).</p>
<p>My acads are pretty good, with a 3.96 GPA in my BS (got it evaluated), and a 112 in the TOEFL (out of 120), so I’m not really worried about the academic part, more about the major-specific credits being transferred.</p>
<p>The thing is, I obviously want to get a good education, but I don’t want to sink all the family money into it. I’ve already gotten a $10,000 scholarship at Loyola (so it’s $30,000 for 3 years), but even with that, my fees and living expenses are $162,000, which makes my heart sink deep underground. :)</p>
<p>I’ve been looking at CCs in CA with the idea of transferring to a UC or CSU after it, but if anyone could give me any better CCs, with transfers to good unis (like Collin to Syracuse), I’d love it.</p>
<p>Also, if anyone knows any unis that take in junior transfers, that would be amazing. :D</p>