^^^ Interesting fact (based on UCB’s link), even though more whites qualify for the UC’s, far more Hispanics enroll. Total UC enrollment is 30.2% (10,291) Hispanic compared to 22.3% (7,604) white.
Is this because admissions favor factors that would be more likely to impact Hispanics, or is this a case of white flight (out of the UCs)?
Re: low UC eligibility for Latino and black students
Note that consideration of race and ethnicity in admission would not affect ethnic percentages over all of UC, but would cause some redistribution among the various campuses, for the same applicant pool.
Re: lower enrollment by white students
Perhaps white students are more likely to come from families who can afford to offer them more choices other than in state publics. Or there is white flight…
California has long been losing residents to other states, there are many articles with different theories as to why. Here is a random one.
https://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/great-california-exodus-closer-look-5853.html
If you have interest in moving from a state, leaving for college is one of the best opportunities to make that happen.
The less selective UCs are not seen as desirable by top 10% white students who failed to be admitted to UCLA, Berkeley, Davis or Santa Cruz.
Santa Cruz is one of the less selective UCs.
What’s the fourth good one? Irvine?
You might be thinking of UCSD, which is the third most selective. UCD, UCI, and UCSB are fairly similar in selectivity (but may depend on division and major).
UCSC and UCSB have the highest percentage of frosh who are white.
You are right, I forgot UCSD, which is particularly egregious because Mr. Fang got his masters there.
BTW: I see California (and Florida), a huge state with a large Hispanic population, as comparable to Texas. It could give some insight into how admissions may play out in Texas, especially if it can’t consider race in admissions (like California or Florida) and has to fall back on holistic admissions.
The UC’s have 6 schools ranked in the top 11 (by US News) of public universities, all ranked ahead of UT-Austin: Berkeley, UCLA, SB, Irvine, SD and Davis. However, even a UC-Santa Cruz is ranked higher than many other state flagship universities.
Taking into account the expense of a private or OOS school (compared to in-state rates at a UC), something significant has to be in play.
We can see similar numbers with the CSU’s.
http://www.calstate.edu/AS/stat_reports/2014-2015/rfeth02.htm
36.7% Hispanic (28.5% Mexican American, 8.2% other “Latino”). Total: 159,232
28% White. Total: 121,294
White Flight? If so, something powerful has to be happening for these students to reject the highly rated (and relatively low priced) UCs and CSUs.
Or is it admissions related? The UC’s can’t consider race, but they do look at several other factors that have an impact on the type of student admitted to the UCs…
http://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/freshman/how-applications-reviewed/
How much weight does the UC’s give to “disadvantage social or educational environment”? Is it and other holistic factors enough to give Hispanics up to a 25% advantage in admissions (using 10,291 Hispanic UC enrollment compared to 7,604 white enrollment).
Clearly lots of other factors come into play with admissions, and 25% is way overstated. If we knew academic performance by race, we could better tell how much impact these other holistic factors have on admissions.
I don’t see white flight in the ratio of Hispanic to white students at CSUs. The are a whole lot more Hispanic than white high school graduates every year in California. The numbers look roughly in proportion.
At ~$34k/yr instate, they aren’t that low priced to me. Indeed, both of my kids attended an east coast private on need-based aid – no merit schools – for less than the cost of UC instate.
THIS:
As a result, by the way, of known population pressures on both of the CA public higher education systems, whites and Asians from the middle class have diversified their college application lists to extend to (a) both systems, (b) what private, non-“Elite” colleges do exist in CA, (c) bordering state systems, especially the Pacific Northwest, a trend that began at least 7 years ago.
I’ll repeat what I posted upthread: in California, there are more Hispanic high school students graduating ever year than white high school graduates, by a lot. Here are recent numbers, in thousands.
Hispanic 190
white 117
Asian 41
AfAm 24
biracial not Hispanic 9
Filipino 13
nonHispanic native 3
Pacific Islander 2
not reported 1
total 399
http://dq.cde.ca.gov/dataquest/ (you have to click a few times to generate the table)
Notice, about 190,000 Hispanic students will graduate from California high schools this year, while 117,000 white students will graduate. Whites in California skew old. Hispanic children have been outnumbering white children for a long time now.
http://www.ucop.edu/institutional-research-academic-planning/_files/factsheets/2015/fall-2015-applications-table3.1.pdf
http://www.ucop.edu/institutional-research-academic-planning/_files/factsheets/2015/fall-2015-admissions-table3.pdf
http://www.ucop.edu/institutional-research-academic-planning/_files/factsheets/2015/frosh_trsirs_table3.1.pdf
For UC overall (unduplicated counts):
Group 2013 2015
App Admit SIR App Admit SIR
African Amer 5951 2747 1394 6268 2653 1387
46% 51% 42% 52%
Asian American 30621 22542 13916 31501 22428 13355
74% 62% 71% 60%
Chicano/Latino 31797 17616 9745 35120 18280 10291
55% 55% 52% 56%
White 26898 17657 8439 25699 15719 7604
66% 48% 61% 48%
Trends:
Since the no-merit private schools are the super-financial-aid (and super-selective) schools like HYP, it is unlikely that any more typical public or private school will match their financial aid for those whom they see as having financial need.
But UCs do have relatively good in-state financial aid compared to more typical schools.
This doesn’t show white flight from California colleges. The absolute number of white high school graduates in California is also shrinking. The number of Hispanic graduates is growing. and the number of Asian graduates is staying the same.
I’m in full agreement with Cardinal Fang and ucbalumnus regarding the numbers, which do not lie. Hopefully, that was understood. However, I think one of the points in all discussions of AA is the term “URM.” Emphasis on “M.” A [statistical] “minority” is not the same thing as “a person of color.” I do believe in being accurate with terms. Hispanics are now the majority in CA. Note, though, that UC admission policies are not affected by such realities, because Personal Challenges remain as a Comprehensive Review category, and typically that touches on the Latino applicant, giving the applicant a significant edge there, which may or may not be counterbalanced with deficits elsewhere in the application.
Not yet, and not soon. Hispanics make up a little less than 40% of California’s population. Even among high school graduates, Hispanics are not in the majority.
Plurality, not majority.
Whatever, ucb. It shouldn’t matter. A plurality is not a minority.