<p>Ecape, baby, you need to get off your high horse.</p>
<p>Hey, I got into Swat once. I loved what I knew about the school. But it doesn't offer my program now. And your posts were irrelevant to my question. Start your own thread for promoting Swat above all else. Don't hijack my thread, when I asked some specific questions.</p>
<p>I did try to answer your question, so quit busting my balls already. Anyways, don't you think that most threads stray off the original topic because tangents are inevitable in conversation.</p>
<p>"I did try to answer your question"</p>
<p>Well, and I agree your first post was relevant. I'm curious how you know about Scripps and Bowdoin both though, since you really didn't say much about Bowdoin but that it was "preppy" and you talked about Scripps reputation differently than most people did. Are you a west-coaster or something?</p>
<p>No, I just pulled it out of my ass.</p>
<p>Seriously, got most of it from Fiske and the Insider's Guide. A classmate of mine, the geeky, a bit awkward non-preppy type, went to Bowdoin. We lost touch though.</p>
<p>ecape + dwincho = Love Connection</p>
<p>lmao !!!</p>
<p>"babe," ... both good schools in different ways, so get a grip</p>
<p>Bowdoin is a COMPLETELY different type of campus and education when compared to Scripps. You really can't compare them.</p>
<p>Well lady, care to be clearer about your thoughts? How would you say they are very different in education? I sort of would assume they're similar; both LACs and all. But perhaps you know more?</p>
<p>My comment was more towards the general vibe on campus, make up of the student body etc. Since you haven't visited either yet and the discussion was coming to ennumerating the minute differences between Bowdoin and Dartmouth, I thought it would be good to point out that they all are very similar schools, and will provide a different experience than Scripps.</p>
<p>that didn't really help clarify. I'm not sure if you've been in college yet, but within the same school students will have very different experiences in terms of social life. If you could be specific, that would be appreciated. I mean, obviously Scripps is west-coast and Bowdoin is east-coast. But they attract comparable numbers of rich and private school students, and they both are generally liberal.</p>
<p>I live in Southern California and have spent time at Scripps, and on a recent trip to the East Coast I also spent time on the Bowdoin campus. As far as education goes, Scripps is not inferior, and in my opinion will give you just as good as an education as Bowdoin would. It all depends on you, and how much you put into it. Bowdoin does have more of a reputation, but I think that Scripps is moving on up in the world. I think that the fact that you can take classes at the other schools gives Scripps the leg up over Bowdoin, but that's just me. </p>
<p>Your experience will be different at each college because, like you said, one is east coast and the other is west coast. Bowdoin still has some of that uptight east coast "prep" feel, but it is generally laid back and it has one of the best English departments around. Scripps spends alot of time empowering their women to be leaders in their chosen fields. </p>
<p>Have you visited either campus yet?</p>
<p>I agree that there's not a big different in quality of education among top 40 lac's but the main different is the quality of students. bowdoin is more for a/a- students while scripps is for b students. bowdoin is in the same tier as middlebury, haverford and pomona while scripps is in the same tier as kenyon, bucknell and occidental.</p>
<p>collegeprep, I think you're speaking out of your you-know-what again. 70% of Scripps students were in the top 10% of their hs class, compared to around 85% of Bowdoin students (and just for comparisons sake, 70% of Carleton students). That doesn't seem to indicate that big a difference in grades to me. With the grade inflation in high schools these days, that indicates a lot of As all around. </p>
<p>Plus, Scripps' SATs of matriculating students are close to Bowdoin's and a tad higher than Midds. A lot of people would argue AWS and Pomona are a cut above the rest...</p>
<p>Ecape-I am a Bowdoin student</p>
<p>Just because the student body of two colleges has somewhat similar SAT scores, contain rich kids, and sit at roughly the same position on the contrived right-to-left scale does not make them similar colleges. </p>
<p>I hope you enjoyed your visit to Bowdoin, despite the lack of students. Do you have any plans on visiting Scripps before you have to make the decision?</p>
<p>than what, insertnamehere, would make them very different colleges? I've already mentioned the east coast vs. west coast thing... People have already agreed the education would be similar. Obviously their campuses are different, and weather is different, and location is different, and therefore lifestyle is somewhat different. Therefore, all that I see left is the students. I think it's an entire other leap to assert that the students are somehow inherently different, but if people insist on making that leap, I insist they be specific, which for some reason /no one/ has shown themselves capable of doing...</p>
<p>ecape: seems like you're the only one here who thinks scripps is just as good, if not better, than bowdoin. don't you think it's a little weird? of course a usc's alum would say her school is better than dartmouth but does it really? maybe one of the criteria we should look at is the freshman retention rate which shows how happy the students are with their school and decide to return after their first years, bowdoin= 98%, scripps= 91%. for your comparison, amherst= 97%, williams= 97%, swathmore= 96%. maybe we should also look at 'peer assessment score' which shows how good the school is perceived among her peer institutions (i think it is a good reflection of how grad schools view a particular school) bowdoin= 4.4, scripps= 3.6 (pomona= 4.3, occidental= 3.6, kenyon= 3.7) i know you are a proud scripps' alum but that doesnt make it a better school. it makes sense to argue that smith or wellesley is better than bowdoin but come on, scripps?</p>
<p>dwincho your comment about swat being better than HYP etc. is laughable. have fun hugging trees, hating the wealthy, saving whales, smoking clove, and talking for hours about 'bringing down the corporations' with your pantywaist liberal crew.</p>
<p>First, ecape is not a Scripps alum, just someone interested in transferring to the college - maybe you should learn to read, because based on your previous statements you seem to be living in your own ignorant universe.</p>
<p>Looking at freshman retention rates, it is important to note that women's colleges historically have a lower retention rate than their co-ed counterparts because of the nature of the school. Many find that they simply don't like the all-women's atmosphere and transfer to a co-ed institution. The majority of women that I know that transferred from Scripps did so for two reasons. First and foremost they missed living in a co-ed environment. Scripps provides some aspects of that, but many of the classes are still 95% women and the dorms are all-women. That ends up simply not working out for some people. Second, Scripps IS a small college, even with the resources of the other 5Cs. Some of the programs offered simply aren't extensive enough for students to have a strong background when they graduate. I know of two students who decided late in the game that they wanted to do some sort of aerospace engineering and what they wanted to study simply wasn't possible in Claremont. While I realize this may be a problem at many small LACs, I think it is worse at women's colleges because there are more reasons for one to leave the school (no program, all-women, too small, etc.)</p>
<p>When looking at the retention rate, it is important to view Scripps with other comparable women's colleges - otherwise you really are looking at apples and oranges. According to US News, the retention rates at similar schools are:
Wellesley - 95%
Smith - 91%
Bryn Mawr - 92%
Scripps - 91%
Mount Holyoke - 92%</p>
<p>With the exception of Wellesley, there doesn't seem to be a huge difference, does there? </p>
<p>In regards to peer assessment score (in spite of the fact that most people consider it a load of garbage), Scripps does not have the extensive history of its elite counterparts. It was established in 1926, making it a mere 79 years old (80 this year!). Compare that to the seven sisters colleges or to other well-known LACs on the east coast that have been in existence for over 150 years and you know that Scripps will not have the same name recognition. I don't think that this has any real impact on graduate school acceptances at all. Many Scripps graduates go on to the top law, medical, and graduate schools in their fields. Each class has Fulbright scholars, Truman scholars, or Marshall scholars. The women that go to Scripps are just as intelligent, if not more so, than women at any elite New England LAC. If you want comparison (since that seems so important to you), I have friends at Scripps that were accepted to Bowdoin, Swarthmore, Amherst, Grinnell, Carleton, Wellesley, and Smith, just to name a few. That doesn't count the number of women who were admitted to what you would probably call "lesser" LACs or large universities (read: WUSTL, Cal, UCLA, Michigan, Mount Holyoke, Bryn Mawr, Bates, Macalester, Oberlin, and Colorado College). I even know students at Scripps who turned down Pomona, Claremont McKenna, and Harvey Mudd to go to Scripps. </p>
<p>My point is not to say that Scripps is better or worse than Bowdoin but rather to point out the flaws in your argument. I think that both schools will provide a phenomenal educational experience. However, I do NOT think that Scripps deserves the bashing that you seem so intent on giving. Statements like the ones you have given on this thread only showcase your ignorance and close-mindedness.</p>
<p>Stickypenguin articulately made some good points supported by hard facts, so nobody spoil this highbrow discussion by pointing out that the students at all-female schools suffer from clothes-mindedness.</p>
<p>stickypenguin: why compare scripps to other women's colleges? we're talking about scripps vs. bowdoin here and it's fair to say bowdoin students are more happy with their choices than scripps'. and there's no need to bring up 'where she had turned down to come to scripps' statement to show how good the school is because frankly i know someone from my high school who turned down harvard and mit to attend a local school because he had financial and personal issues. it does not mean one school is better than the other simply because one individual chooses it. we're talking about what majority of people think. for some students scripps maybe a better fit while others bowdoin. my whole arguement is to say that most would prefer bowdoin should they have to decide between these two schools. no bashing intended. scripps is a good school but to say it's as good or better than bowdoin is ridiculous.</p>