Senior lost in a sea of colleges...

<p>I'm trying to research colleges, but the waves are crashing all around me and I'm getting lost in the sea of academia. You're probably thinking, "A Senior?! Doing research NOW???" Yes. Yes I am.
Let me give you my stats. They're really not too crazy impressive. I don't spend every weekend helping the needy nor every waking moment in different academic clubs. I go to a very, VERY small school, but I try to do what I can there. We actually have no clubs. Just sports.
My GPA is 3.883 (or something like that)
I made a 2050 on the SAT (Reading 780, Writing 660 with a 8 essay, Math 610). ACT was a 26 (I made a 21 on the Math section and didn't meet the "college readiness benchmark", yet I'm pulling a high A in college Calculus??)
My school offers dual enrollment (ACCEL) through a nearby small liberal arts college. I'm taking or have taken nearly every college course offered to my school (one of my small claims to fame). I might graduate highschool with my associates degree thanks to these dual enrollment. Our school doesn't offer any AP or IB courses. Here's my schedule for this semester:
US History
ACCEL General Psychology (I believe it's 210?) (only person in my school taking this)
Physics
ACCEL British Literature 201
ACCEL Calculus I
Art and Drama
Bible</p>

<p>Our school does monthly service projects. I was in volleyball until October and am now a cheerleader (captain). I don't have a job because I live on a farm and do work there. I'll need as much financial aid as possible, as my family can't afford much. I don't have the opportunities (because of my small school/town/work situation) that many others have. I want to go to the best school that I possibly can. I'm not planning on going into anything math/science-y. I'm definitely more humanities based.
I have applied to Yale. They sent me a letter of interest back in the spring. I visited the campus in September and absolutely fell in love with the school. It is my dream school. As I applied ED, I cannot apply to any other schools until I have a decision from Yale. That is why I am researching now.
Does anybody have any idea of what kind of schools would be good for me? The better the school, the happier I'll be. I'll ultimately end up wherever God wants me to. I am really trying to find what schools would be right for me.</p>

<p>Lion, first of all (and i’m a parent of a junior who’s only 8 weeks into this), the people here at CC…well, they are not typical. They are <em>really</em> not typical…did you know that only 7% of kids who take the SAT have a score of 2000 or higher. But here at CC, kids are jumping off cliffs because they have 2200s. </p>

<p>Just putting it into perspective. :)</p>

<p>It’s great to have the reach of Yale…but do you live in a state with a good central university? I would enter applications there…as well as 1 or 2 surrounding states…that gives you options.</p>

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<p>Yes, you can. Yale has single choice early action, so a couple of options you have:</p>

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<li>You may apply to any college’s non-binding rolling admission program. </li>
<li>You may apply to any public institution at any time provided that admission is non-binding.<br></li>
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<p>And you can start working on regular decision applications (and send them in) as well.</p>

<p>You need to find some more safety and match schools. Your stats are on the low end for Yale (test scores, esp. math) – it is possible it will come through, but you really need to find more schools where your stats are a better match and that has a higher % of applicants admitted.</p>

<p>What state do you live in? You will want to look at your state universities for sure, possibly to find a safety for admissions and finances.</p>

<p>Have you looked at the book Fiske Guide to Colleges yet? It is a really good resource to research school. Your guidance counselor or library might have a copy. It is okay if it is a couple of years old, the info doesn’t change a ton.</p>

<p>When you identify colleges, you will want to run the net price calculators on the college website to see what kind of aid you might expect to receive. There isn’t much point in applying to colleges you can’t afford…</p>

<p>If you can provide some details on your preferred geographic region, size of college, possible majors, and what your family actually can afford, that might help you get some more suggestions.</p>

<p>Congratulations on doing so well in high school. Those are good stats that suit your interests, although the math scores will be a concern at elite schools. Is the GPA weighted or unweighted? Do you have any Subject Test scores to show schools?</p>

<p>ED requires you to go to Yale if you get in, not to apply only to Yale. You certainly should continue to apply to colleges even though you’ve applied ED to Yale. Get those apps in. If Yale admits you, which cannot be guaranteed for anyone, you can then withdraw those applications. Yeah, don’t wait to hear from Yale. That could be April.</p>

<p>If you identify as female, I’d talk to admissions reps at Wellesley, Smith, Bard, Vassar, Mount Holyoke, and maybe Bryn Mawr because those schools have a history of giving non-typical women a leg up and off of the farm or corner grocery or ranch. It’s one kind of diversity work they have done in the past. And they will consider your whole “package.”</p>

<p>Also consider, whatever your gender, small liberal arts colleges (LACS) that are going to provide you with a lot of support and a “home” feeling to help you thru the transition from school of 100 to school of 2000. Your stats may make it more difficult for you to get into the very top liberal arts colleges like Pomona, Amherst, Swarthmore, etc., but you could be in the running at less highly ranked schools. These are very great in number; choose several based on all your criteria and learn all you can about them.</p>

<p>I’d steer clear of the large state colleges at least for the first two years, unless you go the Honors College route. Even the mid-size schools like Tulane might be a bit of a shock.</p>

<p>Now, I think I’ve seen in your post an unfamiliarity with the college app process and maybe with state campuses. If I’m mistaken, then please forgive me for thinking you’ll want something of a small college. You might be a rock star at your high school, but every freshman has to deal with being a person of little consequence their first semester at any college. College size can make that feeling much more painful.</p>

<p>I live in Georgia, but none of the colleges in this state really interest me other than Emory (and I haven’t looked much into it). I’m not interested in a crazy big school, but I think that up to 15,000 would be good, unless I really fell in love with a big school. I’ve only visited two colleges. I plan on visiting at least one more, maybe three more. I know I’ve got big ambitions, but it doesn’t hurt to apply and at least try. I understand that what I am in high school will be nothing in college. I’m not worried about necessarily standing out in college (at least right now). For now, I’m focusing on getting in.
As for being unfamiliar with the application process, I might be. I’m honestly not really sure. I had never filled out an application until I went through the common app for Yale.
You guys might think I’m crazy for applying to Yale, but I’ve got high hopes and most importantly an awesome God. And yes, I know I’ll face a lot of religious opposition in any non-Christian college, but I’m ready for it. I don’t want to go to a Christian college.
I’m not exactly sure about my possible majors. I love history and literature, but I’m not sure how I can apply those things to the practical world. As for what my family can afford, I’m not sure about that either. If I had to guess, I might say $5,000 or less. That’s why I’m depending on financial aid packages.
On financial aid, when some schools say that they will pay 100% of demonstrated need, is that true?
Sorry if I’m not being specific enough. Thanks for all the help.</p>

<p>You’ll have to act quickly and efficiently. You need to have a frank conversation with mom and dad asap about what money they can promise you. You need a number and they need a number. Then you will need specifics from them about their finances: W-2s, savings, cost/value/equity of home, other investments or real estate or businesses they might have, etc. Once you have a list of a dozen schools, take these figures and run net price calculators for each school you think you could attend. No sense having ambitions your family cannot afford. While you’re at it, try to explain to your parents why you want to explore the world while still understanding their concerns for you. God’s path for you might not be their path, but it is perhaps God’s path and they could allow you some time to explore it to see if it is right for you.</p>

<p>Now you need 12 schools (your family can afford) to investigate at length. You’ll whittle these down to 5 to 8 to which to apply. I think you’re smart to expect some culture shock, and a judicious, mature 18yo would not think ONLY in terms of brand name or far away schools where the shock might be severe. Give Yale the benefit of the doubt, however: if they didn’t think you belonged there they wouldn’t invite you to apply. Nonetheless, it’s important to have a range of schools, sometimes phrased as reach-match-safety. So if Yale is one of your reaches, let’s say, you can certainly find an equally prestigious LAC as a second reach school: a school like Amherst, Bowdoin, Pomona, etc. But also run the net price calculator on any of these schools and any of the 4 schools you’re going to list for each spot along the reach-match-safety spectrum. My point earlier is that you ought to consider LACs because you may find that you need the support. I think the “women’s” colleges I named range from reach-y to match for you, and you might find there women (and men, in some cases) who have been “you” at one point in their lives. Certainly these schools are brand name, too. (I’m sticking with your ambitions, you see.) On the other hand, if women’s schools are not for you or these are too far from home or you want some medium-sized schools, too, draw your match schools from very good medium-sized places like Tulane or Wake Forest. Then for safeties consider some medium-sized and some LACs: I agree with SouthernHope that this is where the state school or at least a not-too-distant medium-sized school can come onto the list. Perhaps an Honors College or Program at a state school. UGeorgia has a good one. Others can better pick these since I’m not from the South and not particularly good at finding safeties :+) </p>

<p>Having compiled your Do-able Dozen, having run the net price calculator, you’ll have a pretty good idea of what you can afford and can substitute for some of these schools candidates that your family is more likely to be able to afford. Now, investigate these schools like crazy within the time limits you have, and that means calling the admissions officers from each prospective college. Such personal contact can provide information that will save you time (because time is one of the things you’re up against this semester). Have a pencil and writing pad next to you. Get advice from the AOs about how you fit at their schools, whether or not their schools will have an interest in you, some idea about costs of attendance. If they think you’re not right for them, ask them where you might be better suited. These people know colleges better than you or I ever will, so pay attention when they speak. </p>

<p>You’re not going to have much time to visit these schools before January 1st when many of the applications are due (it would be nice if a couple of your schools had app due dates in February). Be prepared to pay to send your SAT scores to your final list schools. Be prepared also to pay 40-75 dollars for the application, unless you can score an application waiver by officially visiting the campus or from some admissions officers (don’t be afraid to ask). </p>

<p>What schools mean when they say they will pay “100% of demonstrated need” is not what any of us could wish it meant, so ask the admissions officers about this. Remember, they really like college and high school students. They’re working at a college, after all, because they really enjoyed their college years and the people they befriended there. They’re going to like you, too, so don’t be afraid of them and do CALL them. Ask them too about what to major in and what you can do with those majors after you graduate. You’re going to change a lot the next four years, and your interests will change, and you want to go to a college where helping students to re-define themselves is something that college specializes in. If I can be of any further service to you, please ask. I apologize for any mistakes or poor judgement I may have made.</p>

<p>Lion, great note & advice…I’m saving this for our own travels through the process.</p>

<p>Don’t overlook UGA. With the prospects of Hope/Zell Miller, it could be an affordable option. It’s diverse enough that you will meet other students who share your religion and others as well. You can apply and visit later if that works better for you. When you do visit, contact some student groups that share your interests. Joining these may make a large university feel smaller.
[The</a> University of Georgia Campus Ministry Association Home Page](<a href=“University Religious Life Association - UGA Student Affairs”>University Religious Life Association - UGA Student Affairs)</p>

<p>As I applied ED, I cannot apply to any other schools until I have a decision from Yale</p>

<p>That’s not true. Those who apply ED can apply elsewhere as well. </p>

<p>Besides, Yale is EA, not ED.</p>

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<p>Sorry to disappoint you but you will not face opposition unless you throw your religious beliefs in other students’ faces and start proselytizing. Most students don’t care about such things. So, feel free to believe you will be oppressed but unless you provoke people and push your views on those who are not interested, it’s generally not going to happen.</p>

<p>Depends on what you consider oppression, tsdad. Some would argue that microaggressions are part of oppression, and there will be more than a few of those at most colleges, even for students who never mention what their faith or lack thereof is. </p>

<p>Lion, I am curious about the letter of interest Yale sent you. When you took your standardized tests, did you indicate that you wished to be contacted by various colleges? Or was this entirely unsolicited?</p>

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<p>Not sure what they are. How would they know his religious views anyway unless he felt compelled to routinely announced them and try to push them on other people?</p>

<p>In any case, college is about “shifting and winnowing”. He, and all students, should expect to have their dearest beliefs challenged. That’s part of what college is about. </p>

<p>[Sifting</a> and Winnowing Plaque - University of Wisconsin-Madison](<a href=“http://www.secfac.wisc.edu/siftandwinnow.htm]Sifting”>http://www.secfac.wisc.edu/siftandwinnow.htm)</p>

<p>My experience (and i"m not religious myself but my siblings are and their children attend various large universities) is that there wouldn’t be any issues with a college student being a Christian. I will say that my nieces had a bit of trouble at first because they attended very small religious high schools and it was a tough transition to meet a larger group of people…that is, different types of people than the ones they attended school with…but after a couple of semesters, they have grown to love it and have also found good religious organizations to join.</p>

<p>Your SAT scores are better than your ACT. If you take 2 SAT subject tests, you won’t need to send your ACT scores to colleges unless they request all scores.
Seewanee claims to meet 95% of need and may be a “match” for you. It’s a good liberal arts college outside of the most competitive ones like Yale. University of Richmond claims to meet full needs. Rhodes College is a possibility- athough I do not know the financial aid policy. Davidson College is another “reach”.
While you may not be interested in a religious school, consider that different colleges have different cultures and are more or less supportive to religious students. I think you would find peers at the colleges I mentioned. Choose carefully and also find a student group that supports your beliefs.</p>

<p>This is good advice about looking at larger schools that have religious groups to give you a bit of home support. But since I am urging LACs, let me second Rhodes. Just looked at it for d. Very good merit, in your stats range, plenty of religious groups, up-to-date faculty, known for its humanities, a good school for the do-able dozen. Suggested so far, you could have as reaches Yale and Davidson (both schools that are reaches for just about anyone) and you could add Vandy and Williams or Bowdoin; as matches you have Rhodes and Tulane (both free to apply to) and I’d add Bard or Smith and Sewanee; and as sure thing you have Georgia, Alabama, Kentucky, and South Carolina–all of which have Honors programs, money you could get, and lots of religious groups. I’d consider Lafayette, Kenyon, Mount Holyoke in the match category, too. That’s a killer list so far, lion.</p>

<p>Well, that was fun. Thanks for the chance to do that, lion and cccreatures. Can I go to college again? Oh, that’s right, I never left college.</p>

<p>What do you guys think about UNC Chapel Hill? I know my stats fit there (actually slightly above their average), and they seem to be a good school.</p>

<p>Thanks for all the tips so far. I really appreciate it.</p>

<p>^ I think it is an excellent choice- great school, meets full need. Just a caution, it is difficult to get accepted out of state. I would not let this stop you from applying, however, I would consider it an unpredictable reach, fine to have as long as some less selective schools are on your list.</p>

<p>Another tip is the idea of the familiar vs the unfamiliar. I find that students are less enamored sometimes with their in state option because they know everything about it- the good, the bad, and people who go there. Yet every college has pros and cons, so I engourage you to not overlook UGA. It is a good school, and I encourage you to apply there, as well as any other Georgia school that appeals to you. Sometimes the in state options are the most affordable ones, and the Hope/Zell Miller makes this even more a possibility.</p>

<p>Go ahead and apply to Chapel Hill. But I would say it is a high reach for you. UNC’s admissions must accept 80% in state. If you aren’t a 7 foot tall basketball player, getting in out of state is extremely difficult.
I’m not trying to discourage you, but rather have you be realistic about getting in.
If you lived in NC this would be totally different, and UNC would be a possible for you.
Hope this helps.
My brother is a senior at Chapel Hill, and I live in NC and am extremely familiar with their admissions process.
Good Luck! I hope you get in, just don’t keep your hopes too high.</p>

<p>In Georgia, have you considered Emory at Oxford, where you attend Oxford for the first two years and get the smaller LAC experience, then switch to the main campus for the final two?</p>

<p>A good, possible match-safety women’s school to consider is Agnes Scott, in Decatur.</p>

<p>You can visit Emory and Agnes Scott in one day if Atlanta isn’t too far for you. Oxford is a little further.</p>

<p>UNC-CH for out of state is definitely a reach.</p>

<p>so, lion, are you still afloat? did you fall in love with any schools yet?</p>