<p>There is no such thing as truth.</p>
<p>What's more, history has proven again and again that even if and when this so-called truth was evident and believable, the masses will always persecute and deny it to the bitter and bloody end.</p>
<p>If I had lost loved ones on 9/11, that would have sucked quite royally. I have the utmost compassion to those who have lost. Regardless, questioning the popularly accepted theories do not in any way belittle their memory or accomplishments.</p>
<p>I see your argument Hepstar.</p>
<p>^^Thank you brand.</p>
<p>Though I disagree with lealdragon's assertion that there is this vast conspiracy...I can't quite understand how you find that offensive. People thinking outside of the box, away from the norm, and coming to their own conclusions shouldn't be thought of as disrespectful. If anything, I would find that more appreciative: they are going above and beyond to try and find a reason for this tragic incident, they mean no mallace, on the contrary: they want to find the 'truth'.</p>
<p>There's my two cents worth.</p>
<p>I agree wholeheartedly.</p>
<p>I'd also like to clarify two of my points. First, while I personally don't believe in "absolute truth", I hold that the pursuit of this truth is the most noble pursuit of all, and certainly more noble than blind obedience to one's government. Second, it is certainly not my wish to start or participate in any inflammatory arguments on the subject of 9/11. I've been in more than enough to know better, and realize that tensions are always high and conversions are few and far between. In addition, I doubt I could say anything that hasn't already been said. I'm merely stating my opinion, and I'm not dissing anyone else's. I'm just saying that failure to question authority has always been the undoing of the masses, and I will not be one of them.</p>
<p>"I think it is offensive because the victims are often forgotten about in these crazy arguments."</p>
<p>On the contrary. It is because of the victims that we are seeking the truth!</p>
<p>"Where did the people on the planes go? Did they just vanish or something? Many of these crazy theories propose that the passengers were in on 9/11."</p>
<p>I have NEVER heard anything so preposterous as this! On the other thread you said the CT'ers think the firefighters were in on it, and now you are saying they think the PASSENGERS were in on it???? Say, what? Where in the world did you get THAT??? I have NEVER heard any truther say such an outrageous thing! </p>
<p>"Many of these theories also belittle the accomplsihments of the passengers on United 93 by saying that it was a government jet that brought down the plane, not the passangers on board. People actually believe this, despite the fact that there are video recordings of the passengers on the plane that prove that it was indeed the passengers who united to bring down the plane."</p>
<p>Regardless of how the plane was brought down, that does not in any way belittle the passengers. The truth is the truth. What happened happened. It's just that the evidence does not support the official story. The truthers are trying to find the truth. What is so difficult to understand about that?</p>
<p>I knew there were recorded cell phone calls, but I was not aware of any video recordings. Can you tell me where I might see those? I'd never heard of that.</p>
<p>Here is the transcript of the flight 93 "black-box" recorder, which not only proves that there were hijackers, but also proves that the passengers fought back. The actual recording was played at the Moussaoui trial.:</p>
<p>This particular link contains the dialogue just before the passengers begin to intrude into the cockpit.</p>
<p>Do you have a link to hear the actual recording?</p>
<p>I hate to break this to you, but the govt. has the technology, has had for a number of years in fact, to simulate voices so accuartely that loved ones cannot tell the difference.</p>
<p>Remember the transcript of one of the guys who called him mom from the plane? I don't remember his name, so I will use a fictitious name. He said 'Mom, this is John Smith.' </p>
<p>When was the last time you used your last name when you talked to your mom?</p>
<p>Anyway, the bottom line is that for every piece of 'proof' of the official story, there are a dozen more 'proofs' that the official story is not true. EVEN IF this voice recording is authentic, what does that prove? It would prove that there were terrorists on at least one plane. That does not preclude govt. complicity. (Another level is that terrorists existed on 1 or 2 planes but not the others. It's not an all-or-nothing thing.) One level of complicity is that there really were terrorists, but the govt. let it happen. This has been done before. They knew about Pearl Harbor and let it happen as an excuse to get into the war. The truth is that there ARE terrorists. They DID have these plans. The question is how much did out govt. know and how much did they assist the terrorists, or, at the very least, look the other way to ensure success.</p>