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<p>I’m having trouble understanding your conclusion, DA, based on a letter that is from Feb-12. At that time, Kim was in charge. </p>
<p>Now, Folt is a short-timer and, as such, can do absolutely nothing in her last few weeks (besides canceling classes, which was kinda dumb, IMO). Indeed, she should do nothing because whatever she could do will need to be redone by Hanlon.</p>
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<p>The point I had hoped to make was that even though faculty have condemned the fraternities, Folt and Johnson express support for them; they must feel pressure from other quarters to do so.</p>
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<p>wait a minute, there are over 1,000 members of the Dartmouth faculty (tenured and not) and only 105 signed the letter? Really? Not sure you have made a convincing point here. I don’t disagree with what is said by this group, just the proposition that “this is what faculty say…”</p>
<p>Faculty sign on to such letters at some risk to themselves, given the political climate on campus.</p>
<p>If you can find more than a single member of the Dartmouth faculty who has ever spoken up in favor of the “Greek system,” maybe the other side might have a case.</p>
<p>Have you found those two Dartmouth professors yet?</p>
<p>As DartmouthAlum has pointed out, transferring is not always that simple, especially for a premed with a good financial aid package. My unhappiness with Dartmouth was not just a case of it being a bad fit, it was more about my expectations based upon how it was “sold” to me when I was accepted (as this great undergraduate research college with Ivy growing on the buildings) v. the reality of what is Dartmouth… the hazing and racism and cover ups. It took a while to see what Dartmouth was all about, and longer to realize that it wasn’t going to get better, that the powers that be were not interested in making anything better.</p>
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<p>There is a deep-seated culture of misogyny at Dartmouth that is nourished by the domination of the frat houses on campus. The administration looks the other way and anyone who speak up is slapped down or surreptitiously undermined. This culture is entwined through all levels including the Trustees themselves.</p>
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<p>Kudos to Dave Berry for posting this important information. Don’t let a discussion of the truth be seen as an annoyance.</p>
<p>Yep.</p>
<p>Very dysfunctional campus culture, possibly worse than during the 1980’s.</p>
<p>I don’t know what Dartmouth’s successive administrations have been doing, apart from tap dancing on the deck of the Titanic.</p>
<p>“[Dartmouth] Freshman arrested for rape”:</p>
<p>[TheDartmouth.com:</a> Freshman arrested for rape](<a href=“http://thedartmouth.com/2013/05/15/news/assault]TheDartmouth.com:”>http://thedartmouth.com/2013/05/15/news/assault)</p>
<p>Dang. I bet on FredOliver91 to be the one to post the link. One crime obviously validates everything DartmouthAlum has said, and, of course, there are no rapes committed by students on other college campuses. My take: Good work by HoPo.</p>
<p>Nailed it AbouttheSame…just as they apparently did with this brute. Heard they took him out of the dorm in handcuffs. Seems to me the system is working and that is one brave girl who took a very courageous step.</p>
<p>Interesting. The arrest of an alleged rapist somehow helps make the case FOR Dartmouth?</p>
<p>So, to follow your logic (although the severity of the cases is a galaxy apart), I guess when General Rios Montt was convicted last week for genocide in Guatemala, you viewed it as a resounding endorsement for the health of Guatemalan government and society? (And, don’t forget, Guatemala isn’t the only country that has suffered genocides, so please don’t single it out . . .)</p>
<p>Interesting reasoning going on in the Dartmouth community.</p>
<p>So according to you they are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.</p>
<p>You are reaching.</p>
<p>Rapists exist everywhere, unfortunately. Equally unfortunately, for too long they have been sheltered on college campuses. When one is charged and arrested–this is all assuming that he is in fact guilty, of course–it means that the system is working. How you can say otherwise boggles the mind.</p>
<p>Dartmouth Alum: Would I view the conviction as a “resounding endorsement”? No. Nor would anything in my prior post imply that. I do hope you’re not planning on law school if that is your level of reasoning. I do view the conviction as a step in the right direction. I view the arrest as a positive sign as well – and it may very well be that the recent protests emboldened the victim to speak out. Of course, it may also be the case that the existing system of counselors & advisers would have led her to do so in any event. No way to tell. I will pray for her well-being.</p>
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<p>The point being made is that the frat house culture at Dartmouth results in disrespect to women and engenders these kinds of acts. That was the point of the protest but it doesn’t seem to be sinking in with some here on CC. It’s time to wake up and smell the coffee.</p>
<p>There are many views of the causes of rape. Mine (based on 30 years of experience with criminals) is that it is a crime of violence. Saying that is engendered by a disrespect of women minimizes it in my opinion. You are free to disagree with me. I do not see how the arrest of one alleged rapist proves anything, and that, I believe, was the point of my response and Consolation’s response to DartAlum.</p>
<p>LakeClouds, the alleged rapist–a 20-yr-old freshman–was not a fraternity member. Yet you lay his crime at the feet of fraternities. Oh, you say, it doesn’t matter that he isn’t a member: they establish the tone. But Williams College–just to cite one example–does not have any fraternities at all, yet they recently releases survey results showing a disturbingly high rate of sexual assault. </p>
<p>I think you need to acknowledge that your theory that fraternities are the sole cause of all evil is faulty. (I personally am not a fan of most fraternities or sororities, and would be happy to see all such organizations at Dartmouth turned into coed living spaces.)</p>
<p>Consolation: Although I agree with you generally, the fact that the alleged rapist was not a member of a fraternity does not really address the assertion that “frat culture” was to blame. In fact, he was a (recruited? my guess – given his English provenance) member of the rugby team, which is about as frat-like as you can get without being such in name. I’ll still put the onus on him personally – not the Greek system.</p>
<p>There is a lot of data on this subject.</p>
<p>Binge drinking on campuses is highly correlated with higher sexual assault rates. Greek culture is highly correlated with binge drinking. From the Harvard College Alcohol Study:</p>
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<p>And there are reasons behind the connection to sports:</p>
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<p>[Communicating_muting</a> Date Rape | Lily Herakova - Academia.edu](<a href=“(PDF) Communicating_muting Date Rape | Ann Burnett and Lily Herakova - Academia.edu”>(PDF) Communicating_muting Date Rape | Ann Burnett and Lily Herakova - Academia.edu)</p>
<p>The above link also addresses fraternities and their connection to rape culture.</p>
<p>Thanks, sally305: </p>
<p>Very illuminating studies.</p>
<p>They do a lot to help explain Dartmouth’s fundamental problems on campus.</p>
<p>This thread has been a big help. I was looking to go to Dartmouth for college, but now I seen all this, no way I go their. It sounds scary. To many fraternities and rapes go on. I will be going to go to Amherst maybe because I here they never have rapes their and only one fraternity. So I think it is a better school for me and other concerned people. Other schools with no rapes never are Harvard, Yale and Princeton, sometimes Stanford. I don’t think they happen at Columbia, but maybe some at Bowdoin. Does anyone know about that? Thanks to everyone who helped me make my decisions!</p>