a position of authority would be a police officer looking for “favors” from a suspect.
even possibly an undergrad professor with a student who wants to go onto med school but is struggling in biochem. and that professor wants to " help" their student.
a 30 something MBA student already earning six figures or possibly even more than their professor is not the same. and fyi…you need only graduate with an mba from stanford (the diploma is the gold medal) grades post MBA from a top tier school are of no concern. (you already won the game once you got accepted)
look they have" rules" in place at colleges… this one is just not a big deal…my opinion and that is all it is an opinion.
@zobroward hmmm, seems your opinion is not in symmetrical to every Chancellors/HR department in academia and hundreds of civil courts decisions…just saying.
boolahtl… chistopher columbus and gallieo had opinions different than the “authorities” of their time too!
and that was science.
laws, regulations, rules etc are based on opinion not fact like science. just because lots of schools do something does not make it correct!
learn the difference between science and law (law is opinion and philosophy sprinkled with cow droppings) I told you before it is my opinion. and you should know there is no correct answer when it comes to personal beliefs and opinions.
Again wrong. I don’t think any civic body or academic institution believes in your rather singular opinion, and it is just that-opinion. What I posit, rather is the primacy of both public policy as well as the rule of law–rather profound difference.
“What next, trial by ordeal and drowning witches??” is that what you think should happen for having a sexual relationship if you are a professor and you fall for a 30 something mba student?
that is what the talbian would do…and what would happen in salem,ma circa 1690. let me try this another way…
live and let live. worry about yourself!
alh …irrelevant! we are not talking about children like I stated before.we are talking about full grown adults all of super
high intelligence and with much life experience… and parenthood has zero bearing on anything. if I someday have children who in their 30’s attend business school at Stanford or become professors in the business school (both very highly unlikely) I will never ask them about their relations with professors or students. in fact it is none of my business once my kids became adults… who they date or do not date. if they are LGBT, asexual, live in a commune and practice abstinence until the age of 110 or join a group of polygamists in Utah. now if you are talking about a kid in 5th grade and there is a teacher doing stuff you hear about on the news all the time…I say fire that teacher and put them on trial.
forget it this is going in circles. I can not understand why it is a big deal. maybe I have a small feeble mind. perhaps nightclubs and tinder is a better way to date. heavens forbid adults in a super high caliber business school date a professor with whom they have much in common.
you will have to excuse me I am off to the local hospital to make rounds in order to insure no doctors are having relations with other staff members.
Hmm, let me get this straight thousands of schools, that form codes of conduct, from both a professional and HR level, for the relation of professors to literally millions of students, say exactly what I’m stating, but somehow you have some new vanguard and higher evolved vantage on what they sound be, and it is to do exactly the opposite-- yeah, right.
schools follow each other, and when they try to go out on their own they almost always come running back to the herd. like when harvard abandoned Early Admissions (thinking all other school would follow after all they are Harvard) and nobody did and it hurt them they saw the light. do I think a brave school in the near future will shed it’s overly absurd HR policies ??no.
but if they have the courage to fight a greedy lawyer/client someone like me will be sitting on the jury! and I will have zero sympathy for plaintiff! ( I would make my feelings very clear to the judge and lawyers when they are striking people form the jury pool but, if I still wind up on the jury me or somebody else…perhaps multiple people would put a stop to it. ellen pao (silicon valley… not school related but same concept) did just work out a deal but “Pao was on the hook for more than $275,966 and 10 percent in annual interest according to the judge’s order in the case that she lost earlier this year.”
No, they will not-- period. In fact, the current trend is to have a much more insulated and articulated environment between professors and students. You do realize that this is also the position of hundreds of associations and academic societies. At this point, I’m not sure where you are getting your information or even if a single entity supports such provocative stances.
I agreed schools will not change …as stated in my last post. schools are to cowardly and also politics play into the mix. (this is also not an issue many will take a stand in favor of)but these relations will continue and many of those supporting and enforcing the rules are also the same ones violating the rules or have friends and or colleagues they know are doing so. think of it this way… the city commissioner always rallying against drugs , prostitutes, xxx stores, etc…
gets caught in an alley behind a xxx store at three in the morning cross dressed , smoking crack, with a prostitute… this happens and while the irony is thick it is of no surprise to me. (my analogies are always so on point…at least to me)
Well, I will go so far as to say I see a qualitative difference between a 40-year-old professor dating a 30-year-old MBA student who has already been employed, and a 40-year-old professor dating a 22-year-old law student fresh out of college. However, I don’t think any professor of any kind should date a student who is in his or her class.
I disagree with the characterization of a “sex scandal” since it involved two well-educated, consenting adults.
Yes, the Dean should have recused himself from the tenure decision of the soon-to-be ex…but the fact is that the guy had been there a long time and been denied tenure for a long time. It was not gonna happen.
Phills’s head, it has turned out, was not the biggest one to roll. This September, after Poets & Quants, a Web site specializing in business-school news and gossip, prepared to post a story on the case, Saloner abruptly announced his decision to step down as head of what U.S. News & World Report ranks as the top business school in the country.
The shocking move came only a year after Etchemendy had re-appointed Saloner, the G.S.B.’s dean since 2009, to a second five-year term. (Gruenfeld had sat on the search committee that originally recommended him.) The provost re-upped him despite a petition signed by 46 former and current administrators and staffers at the school complaining that Saloner led by “personal agendas, favoritism and fear.”
In his resignation statement, Saloner—who’d long coveted the business-school post, which might well have served him as a springboard to the soon-to-be-vacated Stanford presidency—insisted he’d done nothing wrong. Even so, he did not want “a baseless and protracted lawsuit related to a contentious divorce” to distract from the business school’s business. (As things now stand, he will remain dean until the end of the school year.)
By any standards, Phills v. The Board of Trustees of Leland Stanford Jr. University and Garth Saloner is a colossal mismatch, pitting the infinite resources of a mighty institution against a lone individual who, though at the G.S.B. for 15 years, was never a tenured superstar with an endowed chair like his wife.
My best friend is a university professor and a department head. When he was 40 he dated his undergrad who was 30, divorced with 2 kids. I suspect he gave her As in his classes. They are happily married for 15 years now.