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<p>I’m not sure where this excerpt came from, but I’m assuming it’s genuine for the moment. It speaks volumes about the ability of mentally ill people to deceive others, and also about the difficulty of being a policeman. So if the police had come back to search, he was planning a firefight and one last desperate attempt at self-affirmation.</p>
<p>“What’s weird about that?”</p>
<p>It’s just like the Lanza case where Aspie and severely disturbed merge to the point where all anyone including the medical professionals see is that he is a weird kid and always has been something of a misfit. Granted he was 22-years old. But there are lots of CC’s in LA. What is he doing in SB casing the UCSB sororities when it’s pretty clear he will not be fitting in there, either. </p>
<p>Dadx - The police were doing a welfare check at the request of his social worker. He was not a suspect and the police were not checking to make sure he wouldn’t go on a shooting spree anytime soon. They were checking on his welfare. He told them he was okay but planning to drop out of school and feeling slightly depressed. There was no reason to search and probably no probable cause despite his fears. Of course, he knew things no-one else could know, yet.</p>
<p>Why is it weird he went off to comm college in a BMW?? Wealthy families who buy expensive cars for their kids don’t gate it by the kid’s grades or academic potential. I don’t get what’s weird about that at all. He would have gone off in a BMW to wherever he went because that’s his family’s lifestyle. </p>
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<p>There are standards for when mental records should be shared developed in common law. It is when the people are reasonably considered to be an imminent danger to others. I don’t think we should lose due process for all. Crimes are committed, and criminals are TYPICALLY only punished after they commit a crime. Pre-crime is a really slippery slope imho.</p>
<p>@Flossy SBCC is unusual in that apartment owners in Isla Vista have been packaging the [romanticized version of the] UCSB life style for SBCC students with private ‘dorms’ etc you don’t typically find at a CC. It is far more attractive for a student who wants ‘the college experience’ than any CC I know of in L.A. That part I completely understand, although when I went to UCSB Isla Vista was pretty exclusively a UCSB town, with negligible SBCC student presence if any. SBCC isn’t really that close to there.</p>
<p>I blame no one but the monster that did this, and I don’t think he was mentally ill or depressed. I think he was someone with a strong sense of entitlement that never learned to deal with disappointment, never learned self awareness, and never learned that life isn’t fair. I looked at all of his videos, and he was the biggest narcissist I have ever seen. His narcissism just turned into misogyny/misanthropy, which is what usually happens when you don’t learn to deal with life’s sad emotions. Seems to be very common with his generation where “everyone is a winner”, “everything has to be fair for everyone”, and “no one is excluded.” I’m a gen xer. When I was a kid, there was a clear winner and loser. You didn’t get a prize for trying. When recognition was given, it was for the kids that accomplished things like scoring perfect scores on every math test. Not for learning to tie your shoes. We learned early on that some people will lead a charmed life and others will not. These lessons need to be retaught to today’s youth. When objections were made over this new style, they were ignored, and the people who made them were called cold and non inclusive. Now that these kids are adults now, the chickens are coming home to roost.This isn’t about lack of gun control, parents or cops dropping the ball, or any missed signs…This is about a kid that never got a grip because his outlook on life was skewed from the start.</p>
<p>What’s weird is less about the model of the car and more about the going off to a CC in a nearby community. Passing many other very nice CC’s along the way.</p>
<p>@collegevetting - Thanks. It just seems like recipe for resentment, especially for a spoiled rich kid. </p>
<p>It’s not weird if you know why he did it. Apparently he wanted specifically to be in SB…beautiful town, beautiful girls who didn’t yet know how messed up he was.</p>
<p>Here is a link to his 141 page manifesto: </p>
<p><a href=“Elliot Rodger Written Manifesto My Twisted World”>http://www.mediaite.com/online/elliot-rodgers-written-manifesto-is-141-pages-long-and-absolutely-terrifying/</a></p>
<p>@Flossy, as collegevetting commented, SBCC is unusual in that students are able to live in a community with UCSB students. Very few CCs have this residential experience.</p>
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<p>As I posted earlier, the Massachusetts standard had ONE record shared since 1998. And 14 States shared less that 5 records since then. Five.</p>
<p>Unless those States have unbelievably sane populaces, I think there is something wrong with the standard.</p>
<p>Please stop saying we should lose due process. No one is saying we should. </p>
<p>Juxtaposition, FWIW: <a href=“http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/”>Chicago Tribune. Tragedy abounds. </p>
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<p>“Narcissistic Personality Disorder” is considered a mental illness.
Reading through the symptoms and what he did, it seems he had an extreme case.</p>
<p><a href=“Narcissistic Personality Disorder: Diagnosis, Causes, Treatments”>Narcissistic Personality Disorder: Diagnosis, Causes, Treatments;
<p>I am horrified that this happened and not excusing it. Like many, I am just trying to understand.</p>
<p>@fluffy2017 I don’t see that ‘sharing’ state health records should be a default. And I actually do believe that would be abrogation of due process under the 4th Amendment, which is why I say that.</p>
<p>I agree this sounds like narcissistic personality disorder, from what I know of it. I just look at the other side, where it seems having a personality at all is a ‘personality disorder’ under the new DM (including grief for Pete’s sake). Limiting people’s rights based on a catalog which seems to have been created with an eye to expanding insurance coverage for every disturbance you want to discuss with a therapist seems to me very risky. </p>
<p>Also, according to the parents, he was diagnosed with Aspergers. That is a mental disorder, or you might call it a mental illness.</p>
<p>We have probably all known people with narcissistic personality disorder in our lives. However, there doesn’t seem to be anything in that diagnosis that suggests a propensity toward violence.</p>
<p>This is a discussion of Narcissistic Personality Disorder versus Aspergers:
<a href=“Misdiagnosing Narcissism - Asperger's Disorder”>http://samvak.tripod.com/journal72.html</a></p>
<p>According to the discussion, narcissists have social skills, and will use them to kiss up to people that they think will further their goals. So a narcissist very likely would be able to use his charm and social skills to get a girlfriend, for example. Aspies don’t have social skills in any situation, even when social skills would further their aims.</p>
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<p>Do you think due process under the 4th amendment prevents one government agency from sharing information with another agency? </p>
<p>@fluffy2017 sure. Or the state from getting it at all to begin with. If they have it as a medical record because they run a mandatory public health care system it is no different in essence than requiring a private doctor or counselor or Blue Shield to turn over private records. You bet I think that requires probable cause.</p>
<p>Letter my daughter received from SBCC a few minutes ago:</p>
<p><a href=“mailto:donotreply@sbcc.edu”>donotreply@sbcc.edu</a>
To SBCC StudentsLori GaskinAll Faculty
Today at 7:20 PM</p>
<p>Dear SBCC Students,</p>
<p>As details of the Isla Vista tragedy continue to be released, it has now been confirmed by law enforcement that the assailant was named Elliot Rodger. According to our information, Rodger had registered at SBCC at various times during the last three years but had either stopped attending or withdrew from all courses. Before that, in 2011, he completed three courses. The college has not located any record of discipline or other issues.</p>
<p>To our knowledge, none of the identified deceased victims were students at the college.</p>
<p>As previously reported, the college is working closely with UCSB to provide counseling and support to students… Services are available currently at UCSB for all students and will be offered at the SBCC campus in the Student Health Services Office (Student Services Building) beginning next week. </p>
<p>Our deepest sympathies and condolences go out to the victims and their families and for those who were injured during this extremely tragic and senseless incident. </p>
<p>Lori Gaskin</p>
<p>President</p>
<p>Apparently, he currently was not actually in school!! Coincidentally, SBCC’s graduation was last night.</p>
<p>There’s no reason to think there is anything in his medical records that would be relevant. His social worker was worried about him being depressed. Poor thing. No-one can predict these violent rampages. They just can’t.</p>
<p>I am still trying to process this. What I didn’t know before the news conference that there was two shooting on my daughter’s street…and her apartment was in between the two. Despite our daughter being safe, my husband and I have both been freaking out more as the day had gone on. What most people don’t know is that Isla Vista is also where a lot of SBCC students live. Luckily she had to work today so she was distracted but they have offered support services for all students affected at UCSB. My heart is broken for this whole community and the families affected…</p>