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<p>Not as much Calculus/Cont. Math though. He might like the math better in IE than he would in something like EE for instance.</p>
<p>Echoing the suggestion of Industrial Engineering.</p>
<p>Frankly I don’t think you are going to know until you are sitting in classes at the university. My S3 is in a similar position. He thinks he’ll like Econ and he thinks he’ll like Engineering. He definitely tilts toward an easier time at math and science…but not all math and science and it often depends on the teacher. I agree to take a 100 level Engineering class and see how it goes. Look at the suggested 4 year curriculum in the engineering school and see how you feel about it. These days most large universities have a variety of potential concentrations from environmental to engineering technology alongside the “old” Civil, Electrical, Mechanical etc. I’m guessing there are a few humanities classes you’ll need to take to graduate regardless of your major so use your freshman year to knock off a couple of those along with the entry level engineering and see what makes you happy. Since you are going in undeclared you should have a bit of time to feel it out before you have to commit to a particular major.</p>
<p>Industrial engineers still take calculus, vector geometry, linear algebra, differential equations, multivariable calculus, theoretical statistics, statisitcs, statics,etc, -along with all the physics and chemistry. Electrical would be taking more extensive coursework in circuitry and things like that. Industrial more coursework in systems, human factors ,etc.</p>
<p>Any engineering is going to be heavy math and science. There is a lot of science/lab work in some of the other disciplines that is CALLED something else. Not sure that component is exactly the same in Industrial.</p>
<p>There is industrial engineering, and there is industrial design. They’re very different, but it sounds like either is a possible fit. Neither is easy but look into them.</p>
<p>Industrial design would likely be in a school of architecture and does not have the science and math requirements that industrial engineering has. If the OP is not really that into math, engineering really does not sound like a good fit.</p>
<p>I’m curious, why do you say computer science? I’ll admit I know very little about the field, but what I do know sounds intriguing. I like the fact that it is science/technology based, but more applicable than other fields might be (correct me if I’m wildly off in these guesses).</p>
<p>Many (not all) engineers click with math/calculus regardless of whether they have a good teacher. They just “get it”. So it’s good that you are exploring your mixed results. Good luck sorting through things. </p>
<p>As I say in many threads… Engineering is HARD. If you go that route, be prepared to work your tail off.</p>
<p>Buranri, just a feeling I get from reading your OP. You strike me as someone who is logical, analytical, but just doesn’t like labs. Maybe it’s not that you mind taking the time to figure things out (trouble-shoot), but maybe you like a very methodical approach? Musicians are kinda like that sometimes. So you’re smart, kind of good at math and science, but maybe don’t like to get bogged down in the details of them - maybe more theory and methods…I dunno. Like I said, it’s just a hunch. Couldn’t hurt to try a class.</p>
<p>That also describes me well. I enjoy problem solving, but I like structure… I do well within a framework of “do this, this, and this, using this set of information”, but I struggle when I’m given “solve this however you please”.</p>
<p>In the end, I think I’m just going to leave my schedule as is. The only possible change will come when I receive my AP scores - if I’m not able to receive credit for AP Physics then I might take the Physics 1250 course in Fall semester, but that’s something I couldn’t change until July 29th (date we’re allowed to change courses) anyways. A required University Survey class I’m taking in the fall will help me check out different majors better than I can from a computer at home, and it looks like computer science or industrial design are good options to look into. Thanks to all who suggested those paths, and gave me even more reasons that a serious engineering major was not for me. Looking through the descriptions of typical courses for, say, Aeronautical Engineering majors (a field I’ve been interested in), I can say pretty confidently that I would not enjoy struggling through that level of complicated math classes. It’s unfortunate because I really like the idea of creating new technology and innovations, but perhaps engineering is not the way to do that.</p>
<p>This is not a 4 year degree - but have you ever considered DRAFTING/DESIGN? It’s typically a 2 year degree or a technical diploma. </p>
<p>The career is fairly lucrative, and can lead many places within engineering</p>
<p>It’s art for people who have a slightly technical bent and don’t want to starve. Computer-Aided Drafting requires that you figure out how to make things “fit”. If you’re lucky you can get involved in some TR&D and get to see a lot of exciting things come to fruition. </p>
<p>It’s what I started out in. You get to be part of the engineering team without taking Calculus!!! YAY!!</p>
<p>That’s another thought. If you want a 4 year degree, you could get it in pretty much anything. If you like the CAD Drafting/Design idea, you can get a CAD certificate in 18 months to 2 years. The two together would be amazing. My brother is currently a designer and makes 6 figures. (Technical Diploma)</p>
<p>How many years were you planning to spend as an undergraduate?</p>
<p>Here is the suggested 4-year curriculum at Ohio State for Industrial & Systems Engineering: <a href=“http://engineering.osu.edu/sites/eng.web.engadmin.ohio-state.edu/files/uploads/ISE%20Semester%20Bingo%20Sheet%202012-2013.pdf[/url]”>http://engineering.osu.edu/sites/eng.web.engadmin.ohio-state.edu/files/uploads/ISE%20Semester%20Bingo%20Sheet%202012-2013.pdf</a></p>
<p>Here is the suggested 4-year curriculum at Ohio State for Electrical & Computer Engineering: <a href=“http://engineering.osu.edu/sites/eng.web.engadmin.ohio-state.edu/files/uploads/ECE%20CES%20Semester%20Bingo%20Sheet%202012-2013.pdf[/url]”>http://engineering.osu.edu/sites/eng.web.engadmin.ohio-state.edu/files/uploads/ECE%20CES%20Semester%20Bingo%20Sheet%202012-2013.pdf</a></p>
<p>In the first semester of the first year, the Industrial & Systems Engineering major should be taking Physics 1250, Math 1151 (Calc 1), Engineering 1181, and Engineering 1100 plus one general education course. For Electrical & Computer Engineering, the suggested schedule is the same, except that Chemistry replaces Physics. In the second semester, both majors shift from Calc 1 to Engineering Math A. So apparently Calc 2 would not be the right course to take.</p>
<p>Engineering majors generally have very few electives. Except for Calc 1, your initial schedule is all electives from the standpoint of engineering. You may be using up all your electives in the first semester of your first year.</p>
<p>Music majors have similar constraints. Music majors at my university get one elective per semester (outside of music), and they need to use it to fulfill general education requirements. Here are the curriculum sheets for various music majors at Ohio State:
<a href=“https://music.osu.edu/sites/music.osu.edu/files/SOM%20Semester%20undergrad%20program%20sheets-rev11-7-12.pdf[/url]”>https://music.osu.edu/sites/music.osu.edu/files/SOM%20Semester%20undergrad%20program%20sheets-rev11-7-12.pdf</a></p>
<p>Here is the four-year plan for a major in Music Education, General: <a href=“https://music.osu.edu/sites/music.osu.edu/files/BME%20Music%20Education%20GEN%204%20Year%20Plan%20SemesterREV1.pdf[/url]”>https://music.osu.edu/sites/music.osu.edu/files/BME%20Music%20Education%20GEN%204%20Year%20Plan%20SemesterREV1.pdf</a></p>
<p>I realize that you can’t start these courses in the fall, most likely, but you should notice that the first semester for a major in Music Education, General starts with 6 courses in music, one general education course in literature, and one arts course.</p>
<p>If you look at what it will take to fulfill the requirements for both music and engineering degrees, you are probably looking at a 7-year undergrad program, even if you made optimal choices for your freshman fall. Engineering and music are two of the most “loaded” majors, in terms of requirements for courses in their own areas.</p>
<p>If you are serious about majoring in both, you would need to draft a plan that will let you complete all of the required courses in each area, and see how long you project that it will take. Most of the courses will have pre-requisites, so they have to be taken in specific sequences, which adds further scheduling complications.</p>
<p>QuantMech is right. I had said it before. I have a music ed major AND an engineering major. </p>
<p>Both are EXTREMELY demanding, and the coursework does not overlap in any area, really. Once accepted to the engineering school, my D has 2 years to complete a certain prescribed curriculum. If you don’t complete it, you’re out. If your gpa drops below a B, you’re out.</p>
<p>Obviously music and engineering aren’t the right majors, then. I’m not against taking 1 extra year, but I wouldn’t want to go above that.</p>
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Sounds like you should try accounting.</p>
<p>OP - It’s great that you are thinking through the situation. </p>
<p>Please do considered the advise of many to NOT take Japanese and Chinese first semester. Branch out a bit more into other areas. Maybe even give calc a try with a different teacher. That will help you refine your ideas for a major.</p>
<p>I’m already signed up for Calc, so I’m taking that. The issue during orientation was that I had no idea what other areas to look in to, so thus the dual language classes. As I said earlier if I don’t get AP credit I may try to switch into a Physics class. I can’t do anything about that until July 29th though, so I’m not worrying about it right now.</p>
<p>Buranri, were you taking AP Physics B or AP Physics C (Mechanics and then Electricity and Magnetism)? The reason that I ask is that you mentioned that you dropped calculus.</p>
<p>If you are considering an engineering major, then calculus-based physics is really a must (unless you took something like the drafting/design route that cromette mentioned).</p>
<p>AP Physics B is not calculus-based, and it really cannot substitute for a calc-based introductory physics course at a university. If you took Physics C and you are in any doubt about whether you will receive credit, I would strongly suggest that you plan to take the introductory calc-based physics in college. The only exception to this might be if you were planning on a pre-med curriculum, in which case I believe that you can get by without calc-based physics.</p>
<p>You might wait to see what college labs are like, before decided that you don’t like labs. Many high school labs are pretty limited in nature, due to issues of equipment, concern for safety of students who can’t be relied upon to follow the directions, etc. Can you identify specifically what it is about labs that you don’t like?</p>
<p>I also think it would be a really good idea to email an adviser who is in the College of Engineering and ask for advice about courses for fall. Since you haven’t declared a major (as I understand it), I think you had only generic advising so far.</p>
<p>Another possibility to consider: what about a business major with a strong concentration in languages? That seems to fit your interests. Unless you have some special circumstances, I agree with the posters who advise against taking both Japanese and Chinese at the same time, though.</p>
<p>QM has a good idea to check with an engineering advisor. Sometimes undeclared major yields inexperienced advisors. When my D was at a STEM school as engineer / undecided specialty… her freshman advisor was the basketball coach. That did not server her well when agonizing over whether to stay in engineering.</p>
<p>I’m gonna bring this back up rather than make a new thread</p>
<p>The date for changing schedules arrived, and my schedule at this point looks like Math 1151 (calc), English 1110 (freshman English), Japanese 1101, and University Exploration. I need another class for 2 or 3 credits to fill it out, but I still have no idea what. The ID major wont work out because my parents aren’t willing to pay for 5 years, and it would be extremely difficult to get in as a second year student. I think I’m going to hold off on Physics 1250 this semester, and possibly take it in the spring. Basically, I got rid of my second language but I still have no classes that get me any closer to deciding a major…</p>