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<p>Lol. Thats why some CEOs didnt get their MBAs right?</p>
<p>I think people here have the general misconception that TOP program = top job, and thats not really how it works.</p>
<p>As I said in my initial statement, the school you went to will only influence what your first job will be. After that, its all up to you.</p>
<p>Some CEOs didnt get their MBAs because they chose not to.
Impression of donjuan78:
Lol. Thats why Einstein never went to gradeschool right?
Lol. Thats why Arnorld Schwarzenegger never went to an elite school of government right?
Lol. Thats why Tom Cruise never went to an acting school right?</p>
<p>I'm tired.</p>
<p>I love how you continue to prove me right.</p>
<p>Life is not automatic. Get over it.</p>
<p>Donjuan,</p>
<p>My guess is 90% of the students with elite jobs went to top schools. The other 10% likely were able to network themselves in through family connections, special programs such as rare military recruiting, or some other boost that most students will not be able to access. These jobs only recruit from certain schools and are only possible to get after college or your MBA, rarely can they be accessed in the middle of one's career. Only top MBAs an colleges give you the opportunity to interview for these jobs. </p>
<p>As for the 18% who don;t have jobs, there are many top students who don't want employment at elite firms or want to go directly to grad school. I had plenty of friends after Dartmouth and who went to other Ivies who were looking to go to grad school, become writers or agents, do something random like live in Nepal, etc and didn't seek even out a job (mostly non-traditional) until after graduation summer.</p>
<p>You are very uninformed. I actually graduated from Dartmouth, worked at an elite consulting firm after graduation, attended a top 5 MBA program, and now work in venture capital. About 90% of the professionals at my firm attended top 10 schools. There is a big difference between getting a job and getting a top job. Top jobs (elite banking/ consulting) only recruit from maybe 15 schools, with the best shot coming from probably 10 of them.</p>
<p>Funny how Dartmouth is not a top 10 school.</p>
<p>Perhaps not in USNEWS this year (its eleven), but overall in terms of grad placement/ corpotate recruiting/ opportunities to undergrads I would put it at about 7. Dartmouth is very much in the top ten, its been ranked ten or better for undergrad in every undergrad ranking almost every year with only a couple of exceptions.</p>
<p>For business recruiting:</p>
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<li>HYPS, MIT, Wharton</li>
<li>Dartmouth, Columbia, Penn CAS</li>
<li>Duke, Northwestern, Brown, Amherst, Williams</li>
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<p>So the general consensus is that attending a high ranked university will greatly improve one's chances of being recruited into the consulting, ibanking, etc. industries. </p>
<p>Are there any other schools I should be looking at?</p>
<p>The general consensus of the biased non-random sample of CC students.</p>
<p>I find it amusing that Berkeley wasnt even on that list, when in reality, we all know it is more prestigious than Dartmouth.</p>
<p>Once again,</p>
<p>Totally some misinformed high school kid. Don you shouldn't post if you're going to spread misinformation everywhere. Come back when you've actually been in the real world. </p>
<p>Cal isn't on the most elite recruiting lists, when compared to Dartmouth, Penn and Columbia. Dartmouth has such a long trandtion of business placement that I'd argue its right next to HYPW when it comes to recruiting (Dartmouth has the same number of elite recruiters visit as Princeton). </p>
<p>Also Cal's grad schools are prestigious, but Dartmouth outplaces its grad placement into the top 5 MBA, law, and medical programs by almost 6 times (Wharton, HBS, etc). Its 7 times richer per undergrad student (COHE). It has 50% more elite recruiters come on campus (valut.com..career guide). </p>
<p>Cal is more prestigious for grad school, undergrad it lags.</p>
<p>Here's an interesting thread on the topic. Note Dartmouth sends almost 50% more to HBS than Cal, even thought its about 1/7th the size for undergrad.</p>
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<p>Using donjuan's voice:</p>
<p>Lol. That's why Berkeley was ranked 10 whopping places lower than Dartmouth on USNews' Top Colleges list, right? Right underneath Notre Dame and Vanderbilt, right? That's not even including the Liberal Arts Colleges.</p>
<p>USNews.com:</a> America's Best Colleges 2008: National Universities: Top Schools</p>
<p>BTW: I would put Haas maybe a half-step lower than when it comes to business recruiting, along with places like Brown and Amherst.</p>
<p>Mitch,</p>
<p>It might be worth looking at Duke as well. Duke does very well and its a great social school.</p>
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<p>Lol. Thats why Berkeley is the 3rd best undergraduate business program in the nation and Dartmouth doesnt even have one.</p>
<p>Lol. Lol. Lol.
USNews.com:</a> America's Best Colleges 2008: Best Undergraduate Business Programs</p>
<p>Thats why berkeley's peer assessment score is a 4.8 (tied w/ Yale) and Dartmouth's is a 4.3. Lol. Right?</p>
<p>Instead of listening to these "Top 10"-munchers in the transfer forum, you should go to this topic, which i found over at the MBA section of college confidential. People there seem to know more about this topic (unlike the people here):</p>
<p>Don,</p>
<p>The thing is that elite recruiting isn't dependent on a BBA, in fact 75% of the best recruited schools only offer econ as a major. None of HYPS has business schools, yet they are the most recruited students in the country closely followed by Dartmouth and Columbia. The only exceptions are Wharton and MIT Sloan, which do as well as HYPS. Stern, Ross, Haas also do well.</p>
<p>Peer assessment is a rank of professors, and mostly, graduate school reputations. This has nothing to do with undergrad recruiting. The Ivies etc have had a strong grip on the elite recruiters for more than a century.</p>
<p>Your link proves nothing. The guy there has contacts he likely got on his own into a Hong King investment bank. He's connected. What;s tnteresting is that the job he got from UH, Audit consulting at KPMG, is the type of "operational" job that you can get at most schools. On the other hand places like Bain, MCkinsey, and BCG recruit for "strategic" roles, and they only do so at a select group of schools. Sure if you excel for five years at a job like KPMG audit consulting and do well on the GMAT you might be able to transition into a top 10 mba program, but I'd take my odds bigtime on the elite strategy consulting job from an Ivy. Also your post MBA options are likely to be better with this type of experience and you'll likely to be able to go to business school much earlier in your career.</p>
<p>I think most people don't realize the difference between operational roles at banks and consulting firms vs. BB Ibanking and strategic consulting roles. They see PWC or KPMG recruiting at their schools for operational roles and mistakenly equate this with strategic consulting at Bain or BCG. Similarly they confuse an operational FA role with Goldman with an IB role at Goldman. Sounds the same, big difference career wise.</p>
<p>Berkley is a great school, but I would also put it a step below the top programs for recruiting. Aside from that, living on the west coast (at least the southern half) does not appeal to me. </p>
<p>I had thought about Duke (I even applied last year), but it doesn't appeal to me for some reason.</p>
<p>Do I have a chance to get into at least one of the school mentioned in my first post?</p>
<p>Also, what year would I be applying for? I will be a junior next year if I stay at Clemson (with 65 hours), but half of those hours are from AP credit. Would I be applying as a sophomore or junior?</p>