<p>I really don’t know what the “jury” comment has to do with anything. Did you watch that video? I don’t think that guy’s even accused of a crime. But I sure as heck don’t want him around my daughters. He’s a pig.</p>
<p>Also, for what it’s worth, I don’t even care if the Duke Lacrosse team didn’t commit a crime, I also don’t want THEM around my daughters. Just sayin’. You don’t have to be a criminal to be an ass.</p>
<p>Oh, and just to mitigate the idea that this is somehow some sort of man v. woman thing? My husband wants them around my daughters even less than I do.</p>
<p>For me too, since I lived in Glen Ridge back then, and for many years thereafter. Sickening, all of it. Then and now.</p>
<p>I’d like someone to explain why it’s necessary to have more facts than what that guy said to form an opinion about him. What are people imagining, that it’s theoretically possible that someone held a gun to his head and forced him to say those things? It’s also theoretically possible that the world came into existence yesterday and that our memories of anything that happened previously were implanted, but I don’t need to reserve judgment based on that level of alternative explanation of reality.</p>
<p>And I don’t for a minute buy the nonsense about male-female relations being at a low point, a claim that’s usually made by people who go on to suggest that things were better back before those nasty feminists started getting ideas.</p>
<p>Who, by the way, is mentioned by name in the video as the person whose carpet the young woman threw up on. It seems pretty clear to me that they all witnessed (at least) all or part of what happened. And found it all completely hilarious.</p>
<p>Objectionable speech is quiet the understatement. That video is sickening. I don’t think they can do much though unless he is charged with the crime and I really hope he eventually is charged since they’re practically admitting to the rape in the video.</p>
<p>I don’t agree that gender relations are at an all-time low, but I do believe we have reached a point where male cretins feel comfortable openly treating women as objects, whether in speech or in action. Witness the rise of the “rape candidates” in this past election. There was the “legitimate rape” guy. And the “some girls rape easy” guy. And the “having a baby out of wedlock is similar to rape” guy. And several others. These are alleged “leaders” in their communities, and they use their media time to spew this nonsense as if they know nothing about women (or science, or rape) and don’t have wives, daughters, mothers and sisters of their own.</p>
<p>^For all we know his parents are making excuses for their son’s behavior. “Boys will be boys” and all that.</p>
<p>(And I say this as a mother of a son who would be just as appalled as the rest of us that anyone would think such things, let alone say them publicly and think they are funny.)</p>
<p>God please don’t let anyone think this is “boys being boys”. I have two girls and a son, if my son ever acted like this I would feel like a failure as a mom.</p>
<p>These are teaching moments for our kids. Several years ago a young women from a neighboring town was killed by a hit and run driver at her college. Turns out the drivers parents attempted to cover up the accident.</p>
<p>I thought what would I do in that situation if my D came home after leaving the scene of an accident? It was really easy- I told my kid if she came home after leaving the scene of an accident we would not be visiting a repair shop we would be visiting the police station. So as a new driver she better be careful but if she did have an accident she better have her moral compass set straight.</p>
<p>the problem with that “we don’t want their life RUINED” type of thinking is that all it teaches these boys is that the point is to not get caught. We don’t need to protect the future of people who, at this advanced age, believe it is entertaining to rape women. These are not ten year olds. </p>
<p>The best thing that could happen to people who think and behave this way is to have some real consequences and to get the opportunity to change. Unless, of course, we believe the most important thing in being human beings is somehow not to face any consequences. </p>
<p>These young men, surrounded by adults, believed, based on their shameless behavior afterwards, and based on the testimony, that they had no responsibility towards the other people around them. If you believe in anything, you have to believe their lives are already ruined as people to some extent, and now, with help, they might regain their value as people.</p>
<p>This reminds me of David Cash, the UC - Berkeley student whose friend molested and murdered a 7-year old. Many people wanted Cash expelled because he knew the crimes were happening, but didn’t go to the authorities or try to stop his friend.</p>