<p>Apparently free speech is only free speech when you agree with what the person is saying…</p>
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<p>Free speech has NEVER meant free from all consequences…</p>
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<p>^^^To put it lightly.</p>
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<p>I watched about half of that disgusting display. Small kudos to the two boys who tried to appeal to Nodiamos’ better nature and get him to shut up; too bad he has no better nature. Does it seem to anyone else that Nodiamos was occasionally looking over at the unconscious girl when he was talking? I got the impression she was right there in the room.</p>
<p>I remember the David Cash case and always thought he was kicked out of his school. God help the girls/women who went out with this loser before or after the crime.</p>
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<p>Yes, I got the same impression from the way he kept looking back.</p>
<p>CFang, I can’t give any kudos to anyone who kbew what was happening and didn’t call for help.</p>
<p>Point taken, CuriousJane.</p>
<p>I just watched the video. It made me feel physically sick. But I did not get the impression that the girl was in the room. It seemed to be happening after the fact. He seemed to be looking over at the other guys who could be heard on the tape, and occasionally seen. It doesn’t seem as if the guys who were objecting to what he was saying would just be sitting there if she were actually in the room. (Although apparently ascribing rational behavior to these guys is probably a mistake. Clearly DECENT behavior is beyond their ken.)</p>
<p>I then read the David Chase thing. </p>
<p>I would say “what is the world coming to,” if I weren’t all too well aware that this kind of behavior has been out there from time immemorial. But one would hope that people raised in our society would have risen above acceptance of casual rape and murder.</p>
<p>Sometimes I despair. </p>
<p>I think poetgrl is right. There are no lives to be “ruined” among these brutes. There are only lives to be reformed, if possible.</p>
<p>I’ve read the Times articles and I watched the video as well. What stands out to me? His statements that: </p>
<p>The victim was deader than O.J.'s wife. </p>
<p>What if it was your daughter? Response: But it wasn’t. </p>
<p>At the end of the tape, you can see a young woman coming into the “gathering”. I wonder what the discussion was like then? Probably more of the same. Really, really sad. I hope she’s learning that the way the victim was treated is not the way women anywhere should be treated.</p>
<p>Update: Last night the local prosecutor put out a statement denying that any of the incidents took place at her home and denying that her son was present during the assault.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.wtrf.com/story/20515561/jefferson-county-prosecutor-jane-hanlin-releases-statement[/url]”>http://www.wtrf.com/story/20515561/jefferson-county-prosecutor-jane-hanlin-releases-statement</a></p>
<p>Why did she recuse herself then? Maybe because she has a boy the same age who knows the other kids?</p>
<p>I take that to mean he was partying with the group but denies being there during the assault.</p>
<p>Her last statement is so legally worded, that one cannot help but read between the lines. She doesn’t state that he was never in any way, involved. I wonder what time he left or if he was in another part of the residence when the supposed crime took place?</p>
<p>Right. Strictly construing her statement, it does not even exclude the possibility that her son was present while the tape of Nodiamos was being made.</p>
<p>The local prosecutor’s statement along with the “Steubenville facts” website are basically PR maneuvers rather than remotely reliable sources of facts.</p>
<p>Look, I don’t know, but…at least two kids there during there doing the taping were quite evidently disgusted. In fact, I began to suspect that one of them was trying to get proof that the speaker had participated in the rape.</p>
<p>What if that young man was her son? </p>
<p>Lets see what happens.</p>
<p>yeah, we have one kid on this tape, which is all we “know.” Then, there are the three who testified. We know who they arrested.</p>
<p>These are the only facts we have, at this point.</p>
<p>Anonymous identified the two students who were disgusted. Neither was the son of the prosecutor, according to them.</p>
<p>Well, I don’t know what the story is with the prosecutor. Was she made to recuse herself, or did she do so quickly and voluntarily? Is she the one who attempted to dissuade the young woman from pressing charges? That would be very sick.</p>