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<p>Diminishing returns - you can only improve nutrition to a certain amount. The Flynn effect is weakest in the most developed countries like Britain (Jensen, the g factor)</p>
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hey kollegkid - what provoked your interest in this subject? Which books have you read? You're a HS freshman right? I only touched Herrnstein and Murray's Bell Curve when I was a freshman :p</p>
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Actually, you provoked my interest.:-) Acutally, I am sophomore now!</p>
<p>I haven't read any books - - just surfing this afternoon.
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<h1>Wow - you are extremely intelligent in that way - you've found the very significant critiques and details of the issues surrounding this (such as heterosis) - all in a couple of days! It took me several years to figure out all of the important issues in the IQ differences between races debate.</h1>
<p>What are your primary academic interests anyhow?</p>
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<p>And as for how you found Lynn - did you initially read the critiques of Lynn or Lynn's papers themselves? Did you initially trust Lynn and then develop feelings against his research (as evidence by your post on the other thread)?</p>
<h1>- I'm curious about how people's emotional reactions to major players are when they initially encounter a particular subject.</h1>
<p>Btw - do you have access to a good library system?</p>
<p>For info on the Danish and Norweigan trends, I looked at Teasdale & Owen (2000), Continuing secular rends in intelligence and a stable prevalence of high intelligence levels. Intelligence, 13 and Teasdale & Owen (2005), A long-term rise and recent decline in intelligence test performance: The Flynn Effect in reverse, Personality and Individual Differences, 39. Both are on ScienceDirect database.</p>
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For info on the Danish and Norweigan trends, I looked at Teasdale & Owen (2000), Continuing secular rends in intelligence and a stable prevalence of high intelligence levels. Intelligence, 13 and Teasdale & Owen (2005), A long-term rise and recent decline in intelligence test performance: The Flynn Effect in reverse, Personality and Individual Differences, 39. Both are on ScienceDirect database.
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<p>I see. Did you get access to ScienceDirect via a library system?</p>
<p>Gee, thanks. To get to the heart of a matter, I check current literature. I was a little suspicious of Lynn. Last year, I wrote a paper on Grapes of Wrath and I made the mistake of citing a supremacist-oriented historian. I hope I won't make that mistake again. . . there seem to be plenty of published authors with agendas.</p>
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I have a dual enrollment class. Benefit: university database access.</p>
<p>I think all high schools should have database access. But they don't. I keep at least one unit a semester dual enrollment to keep my access.
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<p>Ahh - I see! Ugh - database access is exactly what I missed out on when I was in HS. I would have benefited so much if I had it when I was younger (and could have gotten a topic for HS research for Intel/Siemens).</p>
<p>Yea, people interested in science could really be more cutting edge if they looked at journals. I used to be able to go to the local college to browse at journals, but they changed their policy and require a student ID now. :-(</p>
<p>I see. Do you ever read journals casually or for fun? (are there any journals that you regularly read?) A lot of knowledge on "what journals are best" is based on anecdotal evidence - so I only know that Nature and Science are most prestigious and that American Sociological Review is best for sociology</p>
<p>There were three books on a tangential race issue that I got last January -Dying While Black, Pharmacogenomics: Social, Ethical, and Clinical Dimensions, and Pharmacogenomics: The Search for Individualized Therapies. I was planning to do a paper on pharmacogenomics, but then my teacher decided to assign topics. I had to write a paper on transfats instead (bore).</p>
<p>But --it is worth noting that drug companies have actually been able to do this race-specific drug research. Personally, I do not think race-specific drug research is ethical. Obviously, that would be a different thread :-)</p>
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There were three books on a tangential race issue that I got last January -Dying While Black, Pharmacogenomics: Social, Ethical, and Clinical Dimensions, and Pharmacogenomics: The Search for Individualized Therapies. I was planning to do a paper on pharmacogenomics, but then my teacher decided to assign topics. I had to write a paper on transfats instead (bore).
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<p>Wow - I see. What motivated you to pick up all of those books? School? (maybe my school sucked).</p>
<p>[I remember all my 9th grade rants on my school]</p>
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But --it is worth noting that drug companies have actually been able to do this race-specific drug research. Personally, I do not think race-specific drug research is ethical. Obviously, that would be a different thread :-)
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<p>Well - I think it's ethical given that there is a lot of incentive to disconfirm results related to race-specific drug research - so consequently it would be quickly refuted if it was wrong.</p>
<p>I was looking for something controversial so that I could present both sides of the issue. I ran across information on BiDil, and that led me to pharmacogenomics. BiDil was only tested on African Americans and is only available for African Americans. At least that was what I found 6 months ago.</p>
<p>Would someone explain to me how a mixed child is considered a hybrid ? The definition of a hybrid is the offspring of two separate but closely related species a.k.a wolf and dog. The are both of the same genus Canis but are of separate or sub species. There are no "human" subspecies except the great apes if you choose to include them.</p>
<p>That's right -- but if you want to test hypotheses about group A and group B, you cannot use the results of a group A/B mingling to establish claims about group A and group B because the mingling really creates a group C (kind of like a hybrid). Of course, the whole project assumes that you accept that group A and group B exist in the first place. At least that is the way I look at it :-)</p>
<p>EarlySenioritis - Back to your example about dogs, taking a poodle and a cocker spaniel and mating them produces a different "breed" than the poodle or the cocker spaniel. Perhaps not truly a hybrid. However, we couldn't really make conclusions as to the intelligence of the poodle or of the cocker spaniel breeds by studying the cockapoo. The cockapoo would be a different class -- I've always been told that pure breds tend to have more health problems than mixes. Of course, that is relating to dogs, anyways...</p>
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<p>In such a short period of time? Technically, Indian and Chinese, assuming that the latest time we can safely assume can possibly be the earliest estimate that they were in their current forms was at the Aryan migration, 4000 years is hardly enough for this to occur.</p>
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<p>Not all, but a lot. Asian kids in general in America are almost always pressured to succeed. However, similar tests actually taken in the respective countries will hardly show the same results.</p>
<p>Another interesting question - What causes the Flynn effect?</p>
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I see. Do you ever read journals casually or for fun? (are there any journals that you regularly read?) A lot of knowledge on "what journals are best" is based on anecdotal evidence - so I only know that Nature and Science are most prestigious and that American Sociological Review is best for sociology
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<p>I have about 20-25 back copies of *Science<a href="no%20subscription">/i</a> and I flip through them. I've gotten to the point where I can understand quite a bit of a lot of the articles and papers. The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences is also good, I hear, though I've never seen it myself.</p>
<p>According to one professor, the first standard for journals is for them to be peer-reviewed. You can check for this on databases or on the journal websites. I had to write a couple of papers for a class that used only peer-reviewed journal articles for sources. I don't do that for my regular classes.</p>
<p>There was a really interesting article in Science a couple months ago about this gene called Medea that could help stop malaria. I think it was called "A Synthetic Maternal-Effect Selfish Genetic Element Drives Population Replacement in Drosophila" or something to that effect. You should look it up, it's really cutting-edge stuff.</p>