<p>Sluggie: Sounds like BART all the way everywhere from now on. I am sitting in a motel in Palo Alto, looking at the fwy map & mapquest, so your plight is very real to me....those roads sound familiar.</p>
<p>What are we supposed to do/think when our kids look us in the face, discuss a rule and then either seem to deliberately flout it or obey the exact words of the rule and seek another option which is worse and was not not mentioned as it should have been obvious from the rule....yeah, no Oakland or Berkeley kinda makes no City pretty obvious!!!</p>
<p>Let us know the consequences you hear from insurance dudes and all! I have told my kids they will either lose their driving privileges or pay for their own insurance if they get hit with a stupid stick!</p>