<p>Geez…I can see I was wrong…just wanted to get clarification, feeling the pain of college tuitions can freak a parent out and maybe I didn’t really read or see things clearly.Just wanted a discussion, I surrender…</p>
<p>Except in those schools where getting more diversity is a big priority, and I don’t mean the Ivies or most of the top 25 schools, internationals have a tougher row to hoe. Very few top schools offer need blind admissions for international students and the aid available to them is very limited in most schools. At need aware schools if there is a large pool of international students who are full pay, yes, they could be getting preference just as all full pay kids in that pool would. </p>
<p>In Michelle Hernandez’s book, “A is for Admissions” she does touch upon international applicants to Dartmouth when she was admissions officer there. Her take on it is that there are far more highly qualified international applicants that a school like Dartmouth would love to accept than they can do to financial aid restraints. She speaks glowingly and with admiration what the academic profile of so many of these applicants .</p>
<p>Momofnj–You know what IS happening, though–</p>
<p>Colleges in the US are seeing the population trend, which is that numbers of college-age kids are going to be declining. The Baby Boom’s boomlet is drying up. So they will be competing for the 18 yr old bodies that remain.</p>
<p>The Ivies & their ilk are not going to have any trouble filling their classrooms—it is the 2nd & 3rd tier schools that will be fighting for those kids. So, yes, we are going to see LACs and state universities, too, recruiting abroad. Those kids pay full ride, out of state tuition. Instate residents pay the instate rate, and some of them qualify for special tuition rates for top students, too. </p>
<p>As to private schools–well the foreign students still don’t qualify for US aid such as Pell Grants, etc. So they will be paying full ride with no time spent on them in the fin aid office. </p>
<p>So, yeah, you’ll be seeing more foreign students on the campuses in the future. But they’ll be filling seats that might have gone empty–and they are helping to pay for whatever aid the other kids are receiving from the schools!</p>
<p>momofnj, sad update for my son—international asking for big aid. 3 consecutive new rejections. I feel the pain of my son.</p>
<p>Here check end of this thread, WPI provides scholarships to internationals. Actually bigger than an equivalent stat US citizen would get. This is of course a sampling but I’ve followed WPI thread for last few years and see this every year. If your international you have to be selective as to which schools to apply to, forget HYP type.</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/worcester-polytechnic-institute/1082693-accepted-wpi-2.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/worcester-polytechnic-institute/1082693-accepted-wpi-2.html</a></p>
<p>This is just one school, I’m sure there are more. Those earlier on this thread who deny it EVER happens are mistaken.</p>
<p>There are many top stats, full pay US kids who have been rejected from every top 20 they’ve applied, so I wouldn’t blame it on requesting aid, although I’m sure that doesn’t help.
I read earlier today on the Hernandez site I think that the area Brown received most applications from was China and CA. Now I don’t know if that means more Chinese aps than any US, or most from a non-US country. It didn’t say it accepts more applicants from those two areas, but I thought it was interesting.</p>
<p>I can understand why someone would be concerned about the increasing number of international students. Higher number of applicants this year, more rejections…and you see more internationals on campus, which the colleges are proud to brag about.</p>
<p>The question one might ask, is it really acceptable for US schools to reject our B+ students, in preference of international students with A’s? And the extra cash they bring with them? Well, one can proudly proclaim that they are helping to lower the tuition for other US students (if so, then why not just give preference to all full pays—plus, remember, “The cost of tuition does not cover the full cost of the school, etc”)? Is it acceptable to continue to increase international acceptances at state schools funded by the taxpayers? Sure, we can be thrilled that our kids get such an more enlightening and enriching experience, but it certainly doesn’t matter for kids who can’t get into these schools. They always have the option to accept more out of state kids too, pumping up the tuition coffers.</p>
<p>If you increase the internationals (except at schools that need to fill slots anyways), you decrease the availability for American students. It is nothing more nor less than that.</p>
<p>Is there a provision in State Constitutions or in state laws that mandates the state universities to accept a certain percentage of state residents?</p>
<p>Vitrac – I believe that is the case in some states. Virginia, for example, limits the percentage of non-Virginia residents it will admit. In others, I believe, that is not the case. Schools like UVM, Delaware and URI would look more like LACs than small research universities if they required that 70%+ of the student body was in-state.</p>
<p>Any my other question with international applicants is: how sure are we really about their grades & test scores? Though I’m sure most are highly qualified. I can’t help remembering that thread from the $60K per year paper writer- all the way from college admission to masters thesis’, many of his customers are international students. We see many areas of lax standards in quality controls in many areas particularly in some of the products we import. And to the few schools that provide financial aid to international students, how do they verify? They aren’t sending in their 1040s and w-2s.
The Private’s can do what they want I suppose, I’m sure they could fill their class with qualified internationals. It wouldn’t make for the balanced & holistic reviewed class they talk about.</p>