<p>I recently read an article on slots at the NESCAC’s (sorry, don’t have the link), but it stated that they take the number of sports in the school and multiply that by two. Then they ad 14 if there is a football program. The resulting number of slots can be distributed however the school sees fit (i.e. some sports might get 0 or 1 slot, while others get 3).</p>
<p>Maybe it is different if they are scouting a PG? Because we have definitely had NESCAC coaches at my son’s school.</p>
<p>I, too, had seen articles about how NESCAC schools calculate the number of slots, but didn’t recall the details. Here are links to some discussions:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/25/sports/ncaafootball/25sidebar.html[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/25/sports/ncaafootball/25sidebar.html</a></p>
<p>[It’s</a> All About Who Gets In](<a href=“http://www.ephblog.com/archives/images/its_all_about_who_gets_in.htm]It’s”>http://www.ephblog.com/archives/images/its_all_about_who_gets_in.htm)</p>
<p>[NESCAC</a> Sports Rule Changes](<a href=“http://www.squashtalk.com/html/news/nov02/news02-279.htm]NESCAC”>Đánh giá nhà cái cá cược trực tuyến uy tín 2023 - Squashtalk.com)</p>
<p>I recall reading those articles at some point much earlier in our process, Royal. Thanks for posting them. It was naive of me to think I could find an official published policy by Nescac :rolleyes: </p>
<p>In addition to the battles they do with Ad Coms…I bet a school’s coaches are constantly negotiating amongst themselves… based on deals struck or foregone in a prior recruiting class… which could lead to the football coach owing the LAX coach a pay back down the road, etc. Interesting stuff~</p>
<p>FYI, I think the 2100 figure may vary by sport. My daughter (who has a score higher than that) was told by a different Amherst coach yesterday that she needed to raise her score–specifically, to “break 700 in math.” I’m sure the numbers also vary by how good you are in your sport!</p>
<p>Thanks for posting the link to the NY Times article. It has some interesting tidbits:</p>
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<p>minoafrau – a son’s friend who played a helmet sport was told a couple of years ago by a couple of Ivy and top NESCAC coaches that goal was to crack 2100 and have at least one score over 700.</p>
<p>But Ivies don’t work that way…they use the Academic Index in which you can certainly have scores well below 2100. One of my son’s teammate (soccer) is going Ivy next year with a 3.6 gpa and 1870 SAT. The coach told us to shoot for an AI no lower than 200 for his particular school.</p>
<p>Daughter has score over that with 2 out of 3 sections over 700. Clearly, not a helmet sport. The input on scores came from the coach, by the way, and not admissions.</p>
<p>But I believe that there are different bands within the AI - as in, for example, pretend that an ivy Quidditch team’s coach is allowed to bring in 7 players. Let’s pretend that he is allowed to recruit 3 players for the top band, 2 players from the middle band, and 2 players from the lower band. It will depend how much he wants each player - as in, the very best players who may not have the best AI numbers will be who get the lower band slots. He will try to get the best he can in Quidditch players who have the best academic stats for the other 2 bands - but always a challenge to find great Quidditch players with super potential who are also really strong students.
So, the different scores being told to different students who are being recruited by the same coach for the same team at the same school would reflect on their athletic ability/stats - the better you are, the more leeway there would be for your SAT/GPA, etc. as the coach would use a lower band AI slot for the better athlete, if that makes sense.
But this is for Ivies - the AI doesn’t apply to Div. III I don’t think.</p>
<p>The NY Times article linked above refers to bands being used at Amherst so it is not true that an AI type mechanism is not in use at least at some Div III schools.</p>
<p>Yes, my understanding is that a system involving banding is in place in NESCAC schools.</p>
<p>mayhew’s post reminded me of an interesting situation an athlete’s parent told me: her son was a nationally ranked athlete recruited by an Ivy. The coach really wanted the kid but had to wait until late in the admissions process, after he had filled his team with all but one spot, before he knew whether he would be allowed to put this kid on the team. He had to make sure the rest of the team was at a high enough level to accommodate the player’s low AI. The kid was in a weird holding pattern, but stuck it out and ultimately was added to the roster.</p>
<p>Jerseygirl @10.
Mills isn’t quite giving you the whole story. S was not slotted and was RD since ED school was higher on the list academically. (Yup, he was reaching higher than #'s 1 or 2 LAC- and our flagship was a top choice; reaching being the operative word here!- He ended up at a top tier, playing D1 rugby- insane sport, sanity though regarding emphasis on classwork)
Recruiting coach made all of the contacts. Met with Mills in Jan on East Coast tour prepping for final run on list. They already had film and wanted to “support his app.” HC stated still had his position open so “hoped” to fill that with RD. S was high quality performer in one of toughest leagues in state; first teamers go D1/2 routinely. Here’s the discrepancy re your post. 2260 single sitting. NMSF, eventual NMW. AP Natl Sch. Weighted 4.4 at an incredibly successful HS sending a kid(s) to each HYPS every year and many to top tiers- Nat U’s, two Cal flagships and LAC’s…EC’s (unfortunate if you accept their hype and there is some merit to that) were two sports which kept him incredibly busy in/out of season due to the top tier HS leagues in both.
Recruiting C carried him through RD with a few postcards and some emails-“it’s up to admissions” until March 15 when the “we can no longer support your football app” email arrived. If the HC is not keeping in touch with you by phone, direct email, or his own letters(he usually doesn’t have another job) KNOW that S chances are slim. DO NOT accept the “we’re interested in you, come visit us, we will support you with admissions” approach as carrying any weight at all. You’re setting your S up for some dissappointment if you do- top student or not.<br>
If you’re slotted at ED via HC insistence, that’s gravy. ALL top LAC’s have that mechanism and all the pressure is then off and congrats all around. DO NOT believe at anytime past ED acceptances that ANY top LAC will take a (top) applicant. Safety, safety, safety. The coaches MAY seem to have great interest in your athlete, yet, know they have very little influence at that stage and frankly, the slotted fb kids won’t start as frosh…are they willing to wait two years? Coaches, especially those trying to repeat a NESCAC championship are under immense pressure to continue their success…their employment is at the whim of the AD and they must produce (can you imagine the pressure at D1?) If your S is not slotted, he can and will be bumped at anytime and in Ss case, at the eleventh hour. We knew this going in so S had teflon response as highly academic kids are known to do 
and the Jeffs simply were checked off the list. Absolutely check rosters and see how many of the 20 or so “recruited” frosh are rostered three years later as Seniors. See the “hoped” line earlier. Guessing that the typical 7-12 left includes those that were slotted. But hey, if it gets you in…!</p>
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I do not believe this is totally accurate … I believe there is no averaging of AIs … there is a quota by band for each school … with less slots at the lower bands (less stellar academics). So bringing in more high-band AI kids does not allow a school to bring more low-band AI kids … a more likely outcome was the coach or school was waiting to figure out who to use that golden low band slot on. The bands in the IVY league were originally set-up for football only … and then added for other sports but totalled across all sports other than football (which still had it’s own limitations) … and the school decides how to use those slots across sports … so your friend was competing with other athletes in both his own and other sports for this slot (assuming he is not a FB player) … and had to wait until the school resolved it’s own internal prioritization.</p>
<p>3togo – I wasn’t suggesting averaging. I took the parent’s remarks to mean that his son was in a low band and he had to wait to see what happened with other recruits. Also, this was not FB or one of the sports played everywhere and there may be different rules applying to it. I haven’t checked.</p>
<p>NESCAC schools use “A”, “B”, and “C” bands. “A” band kids are not generally given a slot as it is assumed they will get in on their own academic merit (however, their names are on a list submitted by the coach to admissions, so admissions is aware that the coach has recruited them). </p>
<p>Going back to an earlier post…it was stated that NESCAC coaches can’t visit high schools to recruit. This can’t be right, because my son has had two NESCAC visits so far and both coaches told him they would see him again at his school when they came to games. His coach has also told him he can talk with coaches of other NESCAC’s when they come to games. One coach has already been to a game this year.</p>
<p>Yes, keylyme
That has been our experience as well. When my son was being scouted/recruited at his NESCAC school, the asst coach attended 4-5 of his games and the head coach one game
Some were with this club team and some at his prep school</p>
<p>Since I was told that Nescac coaches can not visit high schools, unlike other D3 coaches, and the schools where my son and 2 classmates were recruited and now currently attend (2 different Nescac schools, not Middlebury) Here is what I believe the rule is: </p>
<p>Nice to know at least some of the coaches follow the rules. Anyone want to say which Coaches are not?</p>
<p>From the Middlebury website…[Athletics</a> | Middlebury](<a href=“Middlebury Handbook”>Middlebury Handbook)</p>
<p>C. Recruiting Activity of the Department of Physical Education and Athletics or Athletic Representatives</p>
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<li><p>A member of the department may visit a secondary school, public or private, only on specific invitation from an appropriate authority at that school and for the purpose of being present at, or speaking at, a banquet or an assembly to present awards or a similar scheduled function.</p></li>
<li><p>The institution will pay only those traveling expenses for coaches incurred in carrying out regular coaching duties, in accepting invitations to speak at schools as described in 1 above, or to speak at or attend other appropriate meetings.</p></li>
<li><p>No member of the athletic department, or athletic representative, may visit prospective students (or prospects’ relatives or legal guardians) in their homes or otherwise seek private interviews with them off campus.</p></li>
<li><p>Only officially appointed admissions staff members are authorized at any time to make promises or commitments to prospective students as to admission, scholarship, or campus employment.</p></li>
<li><p>Group Admissions Meeting Guidelines</p></li>
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<p>a. It must be sponsored by the institution or an alumni group.</p>
<p>b. It must be open to all prospective students and announced as a function of the sponsoring group.</p>
<p>c. Expenses may not be paid from athletic department funds.</p>
<p>d. All athletic staff members are prohibited from attending, organizing, or administering any off-campus meeting for the purpose of recruiting student athletes.</p>
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<li>Neither the College nor its organized alumni athletic associations may pay the travel costs of prospective students to the campus for the purpose of athletic recruitment.</li>
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<p>Also, the point was made in the original post under the topic of “things you wish you knew”. I made the pointthat by not knowing this rule, that I and my son, interpretted the lack of visits as a lack of interest. This was not the case, but we could have made a bad decision based on lack of information. Thank goodness all worked out. But since all the other coaches (different divisions and other d3 were coming to school and the Nescacs were not… we figuered they were not really interested. That was the only point I was trying to make, things arent always as they seem. There are sometimes rules or reasons we dont know or understand.</p>