Small but Important ways to improve Your Admissions Chances.

<p>Hey guys,</p>

<p>Okay, first of all.. i am not in college yet but many of my friends are and they often tell me to do the little things right. Here on CC, although the advice is amazing.. sometimes it is general like 'do well on your SATs' and stuff like that. But, in my opinion there are many little things you can do to increase your chances. Think about it this way, doing these things that are within your control correctly can only increase chances, not decrease them. Most of it is common sense anyway and here they are in NO particular order of importance:</p>

<p>1)<<show interest="">>: There are certain schools that love it when you show interest. One such school is apparently WUSTL and i heard that visiting the campus and talking to some professors and admissions officers will put a very positive light on your application. I decided to go ahead and contact WUSTL and before they even answered my question, they invited me to go visit them and a prof. contacted me telling me to meet with him. This surprised me because most schools did not respond to me email. There are other colleges like this where interest is a factor!</show></p>

<p>2)<<early bird="" gets="" the="" worm?="">> Is that how it goes? Apply as Early as possible to any school you can, regardless of deadline. Some of you may disagree with this but i had a friend who got into Cornell, JHU, Penn but got rejected from CMU and Michigan because he was almost passed the deadline. Moreover, certain schools like U. Michigan have an early response deadline similar to the EA/ED Deadline. Also, it is non binding. I talked to representative from U Mich. and she urged me to submit my app. within the Early Response Deadline without actually telling me that it increases chances. With more spots and less pressure, you are more likely to get away with weaknesses. This applies to normal non EA/ED applicants too. Earlier the better.</early></p>

<p>3)<<specific volunteering="">>: Concentrate on volunteering at a max of two or three places and get letters of recommendations from them. For example, doing 300 hours at two places is much more preferable than doing the same # hours at five places. It shows your strong commitment and your focus on a particular organization. Moreover, you are almost guaranteed to receive better letters of recommendations from there. On a similar note, send as many letters of recommendations as you can without going over the limit. For example, Johns Hopkins states that it wants two letters ..however, on their particular discussion forum, Admissions Officers have stated that three or four is acceptable but no more than that. </specific></p>

<p>4)<<perfect application="">>:This is a fairly common sense one but after all the hard work you put into getting good grades, scores, ECs.. it would be a shame to blow it if you do a bad job on your app. This means no spelling mistakes, legible writing , highlighting of important stuff rather than a 'laundry list' and more. Certain strong applicants who are not good with applications make themselves seem less qualified than they are. While certain weaker candidates, without lying, make themselves to be more qualified than they actually are. This depends on how much effort and time you put into them. I hear this increasingly more and more from my college friends: do not rush your applications. Also, do not list your email as '<a href="mailto:ikillsnoobs@gmail.com">ikillsnoobs@gmail.com</a>'.. make an email with your first and last name. </perfect></p>

<p>5)<<sat policy="">>: Figure out each school's policy about how they view SAT marks. For the Class of 2010, we can choose to send our SAT by dates. However, it is often useful to send more than one set of marks. Some schools like U Mich. just look at the highest SAT mark. However, other schools take your top mark from each section, regardless of Date. For Example: a student who got (760,670,650)(2080) and (710, 720,670)(2100) would be better of sending only sending the second score to U Mich. However, if you are applying to schools that Superscores, you are better off sending both because that equals 2150, which is a 50 point increase! Schools do not look down upon you because you took the test twice! That is ridiculous.</sat></p>

<p>6) <<essay>>: Depending from college to college, i have heard that the essay is either one of the most important factors or a fairly important one. I have a book that with 50 good essays. To Quote Jane Reynolds, Former/Present Dean of Admission at Amherst,"the essay is one of the most important parts of the Amherst application, primarily because it is where applicants are able to reveal the thoughtful side of themselves which only they can speak about." Taking the essay lightly will not do much good and can even cause harm. This is one of the few things you can control during the time of admissions. </essay></p>

<p>7)<<teachers and="" recommendations="">>: Remember, the vast majority.. maybe 80%.. of the applicants will have positive recommendations. First of all, do not be left out in that 20% who get bad recommendations. Secondly, develop good communications with your teachers. No matter how good of a student you are, if the teacher thinks you are a slacker, lazy or unorganized, it is going to show in his or her recommendation. This goes under the perfect application point so make sure your essays and recommendations turn out well. Yes, you can control your recommendations. If the teacher likes you, he or she will write about your positive traits. Make the teacher like you! No bribing! Note:Christmas Presents are not bribes.</teachers></p>

<p>8)<<facebook, myspace="" etc.="">>: There are a lot of rumors out there that sometimes admissions officers(I imagine they must be really bored) check your facebook, myspace and whatever they think the kids use these days. I personally think this is nothing to worry about but why take the chance? Delete those pictures of yourself that may raise some eyebrows. Join some of your University Facebook Groups lol. Hey, it can't do any harm!</facebook,></p>

<p>9)<<always request="" an="" interview="">>: Some colleges say that interview is important but is not one of the factors when considering admission. May be true but may not be true. However, if you are a good interviewer, it is another opportunity to showcase your talents and let them know what sets you apart from all the other applicants. If you feel comfortable with interviews, always request one. And try to avoid awkward pauses. Do Not be Late... please.</always></p>

<p>Anyway, there may be more but i cannot really think of anything else right now. This stuff is mostly common sense but if you do all these things properly, it starts to add up and eventually makes a difference.</p>

<p>Honestly, think about it... if schools only did care about Grades and SATs... there would be two spaces in the whole application and it would be much easier for the college to see who they like... but that isn't the case. Not sure how helpful this is but it is worth considering. Let me know if you guys agree or disagree with some of the points. Also, if you have something to add, feel free to comment.Thanks.</p>

<p>That’s great Shad Faraz, thank you so much!</p>

<p>I’m still very perplexed about the new SAT policies (I’m a rising sophomore) but other then that, everything you said made perfect sense! </p>

<p>I also don’t particularly understand EA. Because if for example your dream school X doesn’t have EA/ED but your second slightly lower but still amazing dream school A has SCEA does that mean you can apply to A on EA and then if accepted, not decide to register until you get the RD results from X?</p>

<p>Sorry for hijacking such a great thread so early with these questions so I’ll try and add a thing:</p>

<p>If you have for example 5 amazing ECs and you also did 2 other minor things it might be more prudent to just list those 5 and not the 2 as even if those 2 are positive they might detract attention from your other 5. You don’t need to fill every spot on the application forms.</p>

<p>This is a great thread, Shad Faraz, thanks! :):)</p>

<p>Also, shore: yes, that’s basically how EA works. You find out where you stand earlier, before you send out RD apps. With SCEA, you can only apply to one school, but with unrestrictive EA, you could apply to as many as you want (personally I like the idea of applying to 1 reach, 1 match, and 1 safety all EA so you can see where you stand).</p>

<p>And yeah, when it comes to EC’s, it’s not about how many you have, it’s about how much effort you put into the ones you do have. A laundry list of club memberships isn’t impressive, because anyone can get those. Try to devote yourself to your favorite EC’s and the passion you have will shine through.</p>

<p>Amazing thread Shad!</p>

<p>To answer shore’s question… Yes, you can apply to SCEA but to only one school and if you get in, you can wait to see whether you get into your dream to make a decision.</p>

<p>I agree with highhopes that every single person out there can have a laundry list. That is the easiest and most pointless thing to do. Quality over Quantity. I am sure that the admissions officers feel the exact same way because that is how you can stand out. And with all the techniques Shad shared with us. </p>

<p>I was aware of most of these but i was definitely going to forget. Bookmarking this for the future. Thanks again!</p>

<p>:) bookmarked.</p>

<p>I am glad you wrote this thread because people just think it is about grades and scores and you outline 9 important aspects people often miss! I agree with number 3 a lot. I have 300 hours of volunteering and it is concentrated with mostly two organizations. I am hoping to get good recs.</p>

<p>I did not know about the superscoring policy. That is actually great.. my SAT mark may be much more for some colleges! 2120 right now but 2140 with superscore. Hey, 20 can make a difference especially in such competitive fields so you never know!</p>

<p>As for number 9, i will definitely request an interview…to talk about some of my weaknesses and strengths and get to explain them.</p>

<p>Skimmed through the list, it may be common sense to some but for the college ignorant like myself it was fairly helpful.</p>

<p>Excellent post! I learned quite a few new things.</p>

<p>Just a question. I will take my SAT I this December. How does this play out in the “early bird” option? Can I submit the application at the end of October and then mail in an SAT retake?</p>

<p>There is some good advice but there is also misinformation in this thread. For example:</p>

<p>1) “Showing interest” won’t help a bit with very high-end schools. HYPS have way more than enough students who are extremely interested in attending. So showing that you too are interested will not distinguish you in any way from the 20K or so other applicants.</p>

<p>2) “Early bird” only helps in schools with rolling admissions. For the rest it has little or no effect.</p>

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<li><p>“SAT Policy” - under current SAT policy you have NO CHOICE over which scores to send. If you request one to be sent they all are sent whether you want them to or not. Having choice on which to send is a new SAT policy that will not take effect until the high school class of 2010 applies to college.</p></li>
<li><p>“Always request an interview” - it won’t do you any good to request an interview from say Stanford or the UCs, because they don’t do interviews – as in zero. Only request interviews from schools that do them</p></li>
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<p>““1) “Showing interest” won’t help a bit with very high-end schools. HYPS have way more than enough students who are extremely interested in attending. So showing that you too are interested will not distinguish you in any way from the 20K or so other applicants.””</p>

<p>coureur, HYPS are not the only schools out there. I agree top 30 or 40 or so, it will not help much. However, there are hundreds of other colleges it will help for.</p>

<p>‘’‘5. “SAT Policy” - under current SAT policy you have NO CHOICE over which scores to send. If you request one to be sent they all are sent whether you want them to or not. Having choice on which to send is a new SAT policy that will not take effect until the high school class of 2010 applies to college.’‘’</p>

<p>I did say that it applies for the class of 2010</p>

<p>““9. “Always request an interview” - it won’t do you any good to request an interview from say Stanford or the UCs, because they don’t do interviews – as in zero. Only request interviews from schools that do them””</p>

<p>You are correct. I meant whenever you have the choice, always go ahead and do it. </p>

<p>Thanks for the kind words everyone!:)</p>

<p>I agree with coureur on most of the corrections. However, regarding 1), it’s still a good idea to show interest to your schools of choice regardless of their caliber. Even at the HYPS level, if you take the time to get to know your regional admissions officer and email him or her with questions about the school, about admissions, about student life, etc., they should look upon your application more favorably (as long as you’re not nagging them constantly) than had you never contacted them. Sometimes, it’s that extra bit of effort that tips the scale. A little bit of psychological tweaking can go a long way.</p>

<p>Yeah, and if your a really good student, maybe they think you’ll go to another top school… and if you and some other guy was competing for the last spot and you are almost identical, I think’d rather pick a person who actually wanted to go to the school.</p>

<p>And as everyone said, thanks so much Shad! and lol ikillsnoobs.</p>

<p>two questions though:
What if you don’t have myspace/facebook (OMG!!!), and the college officers goes on some random one that he thought was yours that was really really bad?</p>

<p>I’m not good with interviews at all… I get nervious talking to people I don’t know. Should I still arrange for an interview anyway? What if I royally screw up?</p>

<p>@u§ername: I think that would be really irresponsible of them… I have a common asian name and theres like 5 people in the same network with my name…</p>

<p>“two questions though:
What if you don’t have myspace/facebook (OMG!!!), and the college officers goes on some random one that he thought was yours that was really really bad?”</p>

<p>username, i think if they bother to go to the trouble to check your facebook, they will make sure it is you and not some other guy. And if they are unsure, i am certain they are not going to make any judgment calls based on a profile that may or may not be yours.</p>

<p>About the interviews, its one of those things you can learn to do but you have to be naturally comfortable with. if you feel you wil definitely mess up, then i do not think you should request one. However, often times the school want an interview anyway so it is much better to make sure you are comfortable in a one on one situation. Maybe get someone you do not really know… an OK friends maybe.. to interview you. .. Maybe a teacher?</p>

<p>He was at his freshman orientation and got called out of the auditorium and asked about something he posted on facebook! And we have a very common Irish last name! He was floored! Now, whether admission counselors do this or not I don’t know, but one of the head honchos in charge of orientation sure did!</p>

<p>Thanks so much for this thread!!:)</p>

<p>My admissions are coming up i can use this as a checklist because i definitely will not remember to do everything on here. Yea, i agree with you Shad Faraz when you say that it can only be beneficial and not harmful. And during the admissions process, when every little thing can be crucial, these steps are important. </p>

<p>I have already shown interest at some schools and they have been kind enough to reply. I am sure they may recognize my name when looking over my app. so that is a bonus in itself. Thanks again!</p>

<p>Hayze:</p>

<p>That is not all that weird because it happened to one of the kids in our school too. Got taken to the office for making an anti-principal of our school group. Lol, it was rather funny because nothing happened to him because technically, it was a closed group so no one could see it.</p>

<p>wowowow really? Same thing happened with a kid at my school too actually. There you go.. there may be some truth to those rumours. Who knows, better safe than sorry.</p>

<p>to OP: good points. I am not applying for another year so does not really apply to me yet. But i am going to definitely change my email and clean out my Facebook.</p>

<p>hey…great thread.
i just have a question; when you email schools you’re interested in, what do you say. I understand like introducing yourself, where you go to high school, etc. but do you just come forth and say, I have interest in your school…and then what??? </p>

<p>thanks in advance.</p>

<p>hereicome09.. you will NEVER know everything about a college even if you graduate from there. Hell i don’t think the admissions people know everything important about a college. Ask questions you are genuinely interested about. If you are interested about their business program, then ask accordingly. If you are interested about financial aid, ask about the specifics which you may not get on their website. Usually, it will take them a while to reply but they will more often than not reply to your email. Usually, they are very nice too. Hope that answers your question!</p>