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I could never smoke my ciggarrete in my whole life, and then die in a car accident at 28.
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I could smoke now, and maybe get cancer in 30-40 years, maybe.
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<p>Dumbest ****ing logic ever. Get off my internet.</p>
<p>Meh. My dad smokes. I have friends that smoke. I'm used to being around it. Do I like it? Not really. Do I tolerate it? Yes. I'm not going to get all mad because I walk into a building where several people are outside smoking. Hell, I'm GLAD they're smoking at the entrance. I might have to walk through it, but I RARELY even notice it. Once inside, the smell is gone. The smoker is no longer in my presence. When they come in, if I even encounter them again, I don't notice the smell because my head is probably elsewhere. </p>
<p>I would rather people smoke outside. Anywhere outside, really. It really starts to bug me when people smoke inside, because it soaks into everything if it is done regularly. And the smell of stale smoke SUCKS. I won't say anything if it's somebody else's house or car, but if it's in my car or home, I put my foot down and tell them to go outside or wait until we've parked. </p>
<p>Overall, it has health risks. I get it. That's why I don't smoke. But I'm not going to whine about somebody else's decision. It doesn't usually affect me, unless I'm at home and my dad is doing it. And in that case... well, he's my dad, and telling him not to smoke would be like telling a starving person not to eat.</p>
<p>so would all the anti smokers support a ban on motor vehicles? Countless people die each year from car accidents, and even more are injured. Furthermore, cars also emit more harmful exhaust fumes than cigerrettes, and the fumes also annoy pedestrians, who have no choice but to breath in the carbon monoxide.</p>
<p>they contribute significantly to tax dollars</p>
<p>Plus, with the new SCHIP tax, it would be unethical for smokers to quit. Buying tobacco supports childrens' health care. Smoke for the kids!</p>
<p>Plus smokers die earlier, leaving more Social Security funds for the rest of us, right? yeah smokers do have their uses...it's like watching a bunch of fatties eat donuts until they die of heart disease. pathetic, but useful.</p>
<p>Stop using the car argument. It's incredibly dumb. The necessity for a cigarette is nowhere the same as it is for most people using cars. Cars are necessary evils. When's the last time someone rode a cigarette to work? Exactly.</p>
<p>I hope you all aren't on debate teams lol.</p>
<p>You know, if people who smoke don't care about their bodies, then why should we care about theirs either? (Disregarding second hand smoke, which DOES kill...)</p>
<p>I mean, if they don't care about dying from lung cancer, then that's their problem and I can't wait to see them in the hospital ward coughing their lungs out (literally) and I can finally say I told you so! And there are so many better ways to die :)</p>
<p>I smoke because I enjoy a nice, smooth buzz. And who doesn't love playing with smoke. Blow some O's and mushy clouds.</p>
<p>That's messed up @12layla12.</p>
<p>If you read what I said, I didn't say people smoke to be cool. I'm not that naive. I have several friends who smoke, I've smoked a few times, my dad smoked while I was growing up. I don't care that much.</p>
<p>I say it all <em>begins</em> with trying to be cool; you know, trying to be the independent rebel who says "F you" to society. We all try to do that to some extent at some point. That's where it all starts though.</p>
<p>Also, second-hand smoke seems like a joke for people walking around but it can significantly reduce the life of your spouse/ increase his/her chance of developing cancer significantly. Ever hear of ETS?</p>
<p>Otherwise, if you want to smoke three or four times a week, go for it. Darwin awards. By the way, when I say smoke I'm referring to tobacco, not weed, which is pretty much harmless.</p>
<p>That and it's annoying when someone blows smoke in your face/ smells up your clothes.</p>
<p>By the way the 'car crash' - 'life is dangeous' argument is one of six common, recurring pro-smoking arguments that is a logical fallacy. By that logic you can justify any hazard. But I really don't care what people do to themselves; hell I probably drink too much. Yet the state requires us all to wear seatbelts to protect ourselves. funny that</p>
<p>"Stop using the car argument. It's incredibly dumb. The necessity for a cigarette is nowhere the same as it is for most people using cars. Cars are necessary evils. When's the last time someone rode a cigarette to work? Exactly."</p>
<p>The necessity of the 'evil', as you put it, does not negate the fact that it is an evil that probably is a lot more harmful to everyone's lungs than a whiff of smoke that one happens to smell. Thus, the 'necessity' or lacktherof is really not within the scope of this discussion. But I will bite anyway. </p>
<p>Who says autos that run off carbon based fuels are necessary? I forsee a time in my lifetime where they will be the exception, and not the rule. </p>
<p>In many cases, driving is very unnecessary. Short trips within walking distance don't really warrant driving. And the fact that bikes would be a very viable alternative for the vast majority of Americans(who seldom travel distances that biking couldn't take them to) and are ignored seems to suggest that cars(the quantity that are driven on a daily basis by people who could use alternatives) are quite an unnecessary evil. When people's convenience takes precedent over public health, it does seem to be an 'unnecessary evil'. </p>
<p>And I haven't even talked about how 'evil' second hand smoke is to passersby is or is not. From my readings, outdoor grilling with charcoal creates many more carcinogens that participants may breathe in. Camp fires also can't be ignored.</p>
<p>^I fully agree with you. Now, if you're that smart then why don't you quit? (I dont actually remember if you said you smoke lol >_>)</p>
<p>You're missing the point of the argument: who cares about smoking when you can die in a car crash.</p>
<p>It's just saying 'life is dangerous' - like, contaminated water, processed meats, disease, heart attack, poor diet - everything is uncontrollable and chaos in life so worrying about the harms of cigarettes is fickle and a wasted effort.</p>
<p>That is the argument that is full of holes.</p>
<p>And actually, smoking a cigar indoors can quickly raise the carbon monoxide level to that of a busy L.A. freeway - granted, one is indoors and one is outdoors, but one is more harmful.</p>
<p>c'est la danse macabre..</p>
<p>^^randomgrandeur</p>
<p>cars are not a necassary evil, mankind has survived how many years without motor vehicles, and still had employment/transportation? You can use bikes in most cities, because driving 5 miles to work is ridiculous. Or how on many campuses students bring cars to drive the 2 miles to the other side of campus. People do not "need" cars. And cigs are do not cause death from lung cancer at very high rate, and is a crap shot in the game of life. You always hear stories of people living long who smoke, its just a risk based on whether you're susecptable to caner. Cars cause much more pollution, and those who drive huge SUVs when they have 1 kid and don't need it cause higher amounts of pollution, and are selfish in that they decide to use something they don't need while hurting the enviornment at a greater rate than other cars.
It is not a stupid argument at all, if you can think critically they are similar. People just seek to justify driving cars in order to benefit from their convience. When you step into a car, you take a risk, just as you do when you smoke. You may get in an accident and die, and you may or may not get lung cancer. Both are assumed risks, both cause exhaust fumes that people complain about, both can cause premature death.</p>
<p>I'm guessing you don't live in a suburb? A car is definitely a necessary evil when your workplace is forty five minutes away and only accessible by the freeway, and there is no public transportation system. It's plain stupidity to think that you can ride your bike on the highway, and besides, you can't exactly ride your bike during a blizzard or thunderstorm- whereas you can drive your car. Not saying it's much safer, but it is plausible.</p>
<p>People smoke because it makes them feel good, no one starts smoking in college to look cool. </p>
<p>Smoking is just like everything else that people do for fun that is potentially dangerous.
Why do people sky dive? The entire purpose is to put yourself in a potentially life threatening situation, and you get a rush from it.</p>
<p>You have a problem with the smell? Get used to it, smokers aren't going away. Second hand smoke? Please. It is bad for you, but having to briefly smell it once in a while isn't going to damage your health. Car exhaust is probably worse for you and no one complains about that. The people who have to worry about second hand smoke are those who spend large amounts of time in a closed room filled with smokers. I'm sure everyone remembers that commercial on TV with that woman who worked at a diner who died from second hand smoke. She spent at least 5 days a week, at least 8 hours a day in a room filled with smokers for 20 years! Obviously that isn't going to be good for you, and it doesn't surprise me she eventually got cancer.</p>
<p>Happy my school has the 25ft away for the building rule.</p>
<p>"And actually, smoking a cigar indoors can quickly raise the carbon monoxide level to that of a busy L.A. freeway - granted, one is indoors and one is outdoors, but one is more harmful."</p>
<p>An exhaust fan nearby solves this problem.</p>