<p>somebody who has cheated is not necessarily a cheater. Tarhunt, do you think that one mistake should send you from beig a student at a top college to working in manual labor?</p>
<p>Let's put it this way, ferris. I wouldn't put a kleptomaniac in a bank, a forger in a mint, a pedophile in a day care center, or an arsonist on a fuel farm. I wouldn't put a cheater in any educational situation other than on-the-job training.</p>
<p>No sympathy. No excuses.</p>
<p>If there is anything worse than a cheater its a snitch IMO. And if there is anything worse than a snitch, its a snitch who is snitches on a "friend".</p>
<p>I mean as long as we are not talking about a crime (and even then there are varying degrees of law breakers: i.e. blowing the whistle on a child abuser or wife beater isn't in the same category as, say, someone who fudges on their taxes)</p>
<p>Be that as it may there are a couple of points here:</p>
<p>1) Someone who cheats to get ahead in life (and someone who does this consistently) will get caught at some point. You can be sure of that.</p>
<p>2) If you were really a "friend", you could have (at least should have) had an initial mano a mano conversation with the guy before you went behind him and gave him a swift kick in the balls. Man, I'm glad I don't have "friends" like you, I'd have make sure I was wearing a jock strap and cup every time I had a beer with the fellas. No thank you.</p>
<p>a snitch? well, let us see...we have people who steal, assualt, kill and they say nothing becuase of being called a snitch</p>
<p>as for snitching on a friend, some people deserve to be reported and some people here need some intergratity and a lesson in stepping up and reporting wrong doing
the OP did say they warned them....and it happend again</p>
<p>it is when people don't report things that the bad behavior just continues and it hurts everyone</p>
<p>grow up people</p>
<p>"somebody who has cheated isn't a cheater"</p>
<p>what are they then?</p>
<p>jovenes, you are not required to report a crime if you see it happening. if you don't report it it makes you a jerk but not a criminal.</p>
<p>however, there is a mandated reporter law, which is probably what you are thinking of. In short, people in certain occupations, i.e. doctors, teachers, are mandated reporters, so for example if they see a child bruised and suspect child abuse they are required by law to report this.</p>
<p>im sorry but there is a hugeeeeeeee difference between reporting child abuse and ratting your friend out for cheating on some probably ******** report anyways</p>
<p>Anyone who rats out a friend is a pansy.</p>
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If you read the initial post, you'll find that the student confronted the other student first. A third student went to a teacher.</p>
<p>It's nice that anonymity allows people to be honest. Now I understand how bullies get away with murder in school and why so many politicians, business people and others can cheat with impunity. As Dean J said, there are schools that would expel you if you did not report your best friend for plagiarism. I suggest all of you who think snitching is worse than cheating make sure you aren't applying to any of those -- wouldn't be a good fit.</p>
<p>It's a really hard thing to report dishonesty, but society is better for it.</p>
<p>This kid is a snitch, if you did that to me and you were my friend, I would walk up to you, put my left hand on your right shoulder and punch you in the face with the other hand.</p>
<p>nice linkinpark, you cheat, you steal and then you punish the person who did the right thing</p>
<p>now that's a class act right there</p>
<p>and if you lose a friend who is a cheater, a liar and a theif, you are better off</p>
<p>I am just joking but I wouldn't someone like that as my friend.</p>
<p>Nowayjose is right, it was not law to turn that kid in. Someone else mentioned that their English teacher told their class that it was the law and their duty to report every crime they see. I don't know where they're from, but this sounds like a misunderstanding of the Good</a> Samaritan law, which states that one should do whatever they can to help someone who is injured or about to die. Plagiarism isn't a life or death matter, thus the Good Samaritan law doesn't apply.</p>
<p>The dean from the University of Virginia mentioned that it's a rule at some colleges to report any minor infraction (e.g., plagiarism) a fellow student witnesses their classmates doing. I know military academies have certain such policies, but I presume UVa and most other colleges and universities do not.</p>
<p>As another posteer mentioned, watch the movie Shattered Glass<a href="one%20of%20my%20favorites">/i</a>. It's about a young, ambitious, and idealistic journalist for the *New Republic who is caught fabricating every news story he'd ever written. Consequently, his life plummeted as the staff uncovered entire articles that were completely made up.</p>
<p>Did the OP do the right thing by turning his friend in? I guess I don't know what I would have done if confronted in such a situation, but I think if the plagiarizer weren't caught now, he'd be caught sometime. And he could have gone on to do much worse things which would have hurt him much more when caught.</p>
<p>Narcs are the lowest form of people.</p>
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<p>Of course there is. Try re-reading my last post.</p>
<p>What I said was, there is a distinct difference between reporting someone who breaks the law and snitching on someone for cheating.</p>
<p>Obviously, reporting someone who breaks the law is something that is almost always justifiable (i.e. such as in the case of a child abuser or wife beater)... but even within the confines of the law, would you then say that everyone is obligated to report someone who fudges on their taxes or someone who makes an illegal U-turn 3AM in the morning with zero traffic and no pedestrians in sight? I mean both are breaking "laws".</p>
<p>The fact is, however, cheating on a test or a paper isn't illegal.</p>
<p>I'm not surprised that a Dean from UVA would take the high road here, after all their honor code is (if I recall) entirely student run.</p>
<p>"narcs are the lowest form of people"</p>
<p>...what an absurd statement to make</p>
<p>are you saying they are lower than thieves, rapists, plagerists, abusers, murderers?</p>
<p>some people ideas of bad people is a bit skewed in my opinion</p>
<p>and people wonder why some get away with so much</p>
<p>What we have here is a prime example of a bunch of immoral posters.</p>
<p>Bad parenting, I suspect.</p>
<p>Cheating cannot be condoned or tolerated. If you confront a person first, letting them know to stop, I see no problem if you turn them in for a second offense. At my college, either they would have to turn themselves in or you would...even on a first offense.</p>
<p>Tolerating cheating only gives cheaters the chance to mess up on something drastically more important than an English 101 paper. In some lines of work, that kind of thing can get people killed or let people loose millions of dollars. How do you think the Enron scandal started?</p>
<p>raimius:</p>
<p>Not only that, cheating is not a victimless crime. Cheating messes up the curve, forces non-cheaters into lower grades or lower class rank, and gives the cheaters a leg up on college and grad school admissions. </p>
<p>Only the lowest of the low cheats.</p>