So, all life is gonna die out in the end, no matter what we do...

<p>Just finished reading Stephen Baxter's opus "Evolution" </p>

<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Evolution-Stephen-Baxter/dp/0345457838%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.amazon.com/Evolution-Stephen-Baxter/dp/0345457838&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>and I'm majorly depressed. I had known previously, of course, that the sun would eventually engulf the earth and burn out all life, but the thought hadn't occurred to me again for a while. I'm death-phobic anyway, so it didn't help. </p>

<p>There's no way humanity's ever gonna get it's **** together quick enough to survive a natural disaster, civilization intact, or send itself off to another planet. Everything we do seems not to matter anymore. </p>

<p>Doesn't it suck that in just 500,000,000 years, life as we know it will be gone? And humanity likely just thousands of years from now.</p>

<p>I wish the govt would endorse things like NASA more, actually making strides in space travel or something. COME ON! We've had the same shuttle design for 20 years now! And no trips to the moon in decades! This sucks!!!</p>

<p>As a species, we seem to feel we are impervious, like teenagers, but we aren't! </p>

<p>More people should learn about our origins and where we're headed. It's not pretty.</p>

<p>That is a long long time away... I'm sure if we survived long enough, we'd be looking at solutions along the way.</p>

<p>We're all going to die at some point. Make the most of life.</p>

<p><a href="http://discovermagazine.com/2000/oct/featworld/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://discovermagazine.com/2000/oct/featworld/&lt;/a>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risks_to_civilization,_humans_and_planet_Earth%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risks_to_civilization,_humans_and_planet_Earth&lt;/a>
<a href="http://www.exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Not only that, but what's the purpose of life? When you think of it, everything is pointless. Honestly, it's a common conclusion, and people just move on. The conclusion certainly killed my academic progress for a number of months, but even I just had to move on and motivate myself by oh-artificial hedonistic goals.</p>

<p>Read:
"Life and Death of Planet Earth" (Brownlee and Ward)
How do we perceive time? Why must we perceive time at a particular rate? When you think about it, why is it that you're conscious? In this universe of all worlds? Can this consciousness be predicted by physical laws? Why does it seem like you have a soul? One that seemed to come out of nowhere (thanks for nothing infantile amnesia). When you die, it's as if the world doesn't exist anymore. Why must we perceive time as it is going forward? Can't we perceive time as if it were going backwards? Why did beings with putative "minds" have selection advantages over beings that did not have such "minds?" (though of degree). Why is the perception of time non-linear when you're on LSD? Could it be conceivable that you could perceive time differently if you "upload your soul" onto a machine? Could that machine even make time appear to go backwards? The physical laws can still be obeyed - it's just your perception of such laws that changes.</p>

<p>I hate crap like this.</p>

<p>My personal happiness to live as I see fit is the only thing I live for; the only thing worth living for.</p>

<p>Boom bada bing.</p>

<p>^A little Ayn Rand in the morning to start things off, sounds good, sounds good.</p>

<p>I've been reading Vonnegut non-stop for the past week. Figures my teacher'd assign him to me for an English paper, no?</p>

<p>^I'm sure you must be hating it Taggart, since his philosophy is the radical opposite of Objectivism. I hated it at first, but later realized much of it is logical, and you might agree if you really take the time to solve, yes solve his books rather than just read them, 'cause they really are puzzles. I love both Rand and Vonnegut, so it's really tearing me apart, though I'm attempting to bring fabrics of both materials together and create one ultimate philosophy, one that brings together the romantic ideals of Rand and the accounts of human nature from Vonnegut, and intertwines them to create a romantic yet naturalistic philosophy. This is extremely difficult though, and may require many more years to gain the necessary wisdom.</p>

<p>Nevertheless, you will definitely find his book helpful for writing english papers, I've already used them in my SAT essay, several practice AP Lang & Comp essays, and two other essays just for our english class. His books can really be linked to an endless number of hot topics used for essays, not to mention his unique writing style is alone worth discussing. My favorite was Slaughterhouse-Five, with The Cat's Cradle coming in second. Tell me what you think after you're done.</p>

<p>Oh, and I forgot to mention that both are atheists, though I'm sure you must've figured that out by now anyways.</p>

<p>if in 50 million years we havent learned how to live on other planets, then we deserve to die out. weve gotten to the moon in 2000 years. it wont take much more time. 50 million is more than you can concieve. or me. or anyone. try counting just to 1,000. youll appreciate how much it actually is. it takes 15 minutes to do so. PLUS, even if we're destined to die out, then just enjoy life now. take chances, party, get laid, dont be afraid of anything, just dont be stupid. Thats my philosophy :)</p>

<p>Colsen, I like the "get laid" part, good philosophy man! :p</p>

<p>haha, all the copies of slaughterhouse-five were out at my library (due to a new surge of Vonnegut popularity after his death, I'd imagine). I got one of those "reader's guide to..." books and took citations from there. I found cat's cradle comical though, half because it was so alien, and half because I could picture people I know practicing and living by Bokonism.</p>

<p>All of the true things that I am about to tell you are shameless lies.</p>

<p>Rand would say that then they shouldn't be said. I'm rather undecided on the statement and the philosophy. I'm not sure if it's whether I find it so stupid that it's not worthy of thought, or because I'm actually stuck contemplating it, and fitting it into my own life.</p>

<p>I was surprised on how much Vonnegut sounded almost Rand-esque though, in Welcome to the Monkey House. I'm currently on Breakfast of Champions.</p>

<p>I like Atlas Shrugged :D</p>

<p><a href="http://www.sengifted.org/articles_counseling/Webb_ExistentialDepressionInGiftedIndividuals.shtml%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.sengifted.org/articles_counseling/Webb_ExistentialDepressionInGiftedIndividuals.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/philosophy.png%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/philosophy.png&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I <3 xkcd.</p>

<p>500 million years, thats a long time from now. Like others said, if we don't figure out a way around it in the next 500 million years, we don't deserve to live.</p>

<p>In our Quiz Bowl tournament, one of the questions was who was the model for the actual steel piece of Atlas Shrugged that exists in real life and my friend Lauren--an extreme conservative--knew it was Reagan. I just though I'd throw that in their since collegeguy mentioned the book.</p>

<p>"All of the true things that I am about to tell you are shameless lies."--Vonnegut.</p>

<p>That was a good quote you selected Taggart, because it highlights Vonnegut's philosophy of understanding human nature. He is saying that he is going to uncover the despicable aspects of life that most people do not know, but can certainly understand and hopefully learn from. Ayn Rand would certainly differ from Vonnegut, in that she would say "It doesn't matter how bad life is, what matters is how it could be and should be. So go out there and don't worry about the cold hard facts of life, but just achieve, because you can achieve anything that can ever be dreamed." </p>

<p>Now I feel Ayn Rand is a bit ignorant in this manner, because she does not even care about the realities out there, she does not care that there is corruption, she does not care there is poverty, she does not care that governments all around the world, including the USA's, are treating people as pawns on a chess table. For this reason, she was considered a really strong conservative on the political spectrum. But she does have a romantic look on the human, in that she feels a human can surpass all of these realities, and just achieve whatever the hell they want, and essentially, that they can be perfect. Now that is something I want to hear, music to my ears, something beautiful, something romantic. </p>

<p>But if she is right, than why is our world so corrupt, so friggin messed up? Do people not want to be perfect and accomplish all that they want? I think all people naturally do, it is a born instinct in humans, to desire, to dream, to have ambitions. Have people not worked their butts off yet still failed? For instance, do all people who deserve to go to the Ivies get in? Is there not corruption in the admissions process, are there not legacies that allow stupid, undeserving kids to still get in?</p>

<p>This is where Vonnegut comes in, and shines. This is where Vonnegut talks about human nature, this is where Vonnegut uses his creative yet cryptic writing to try to install in the minds of his readers the gruesome facts of human nature and the nature of our society while still using humor and a satirical tone to keep the readers reading rather than instantly being disgusted and throwing up and never reading his words again. </p>

<p>Life is certainly not going to work like in The Fountainhead, where Roark basically says "F school, I don't need it," and then he goes out into the real world all alone, is broke, yet still finds a nice place to live for cheap, and once he is just about to be kicked to the streets for not being able to pay, some guy comes along who says he'll pay him to build an expensive mansion, even though Roark had minimal abilities to get his work out to the general public, and had no experience to gain the trust of the workers that would have to work under his lead. Not to mention in real life, the big evil guns would quickly play around with Roark, steel his ideas, and dismiss him. They wouldn't just ignore his potentially profitable innovation, but would at the very least keep it as back-up in case any clients would like it. So that, in short, is the difference between Rand's world, and reality.</p>

<p>My philosophy (which I am still in the process of creating) generally states that you should definitely have reverence for the human, for its capabilities, for its potential. But you can only achieve optimum success in this world not just by ignoring the depressing facts and simply continuing on with the rather selfish philosophy of "I'm a human being, I can achieve whatever I want," but by acknowledging the harsh yet true words of Vonnegut, by acknowledging that everything naturally has weaknesses, including humans, and by acknowledging that our will alone will not take us to the full extent towards success; knowledge and the understanding of human nature is necessary to play the game of life, and to win, to win big. And this is important, because I feel you can certainly win big conciously, life is not only determined by the fate of luck, a philosophy towards which Vonnegut has revealed an inclination (mostly due to the fact that he was mentally ill after WWII after witnessing of the largest bombing in war history and then helping to dispose of the 500,000 bodies--Dresden.) One can certainly achieve great success in anything they want, but only if they take into account human nature, and the evils of society, for as I said before, one needs more than just the strong will examplified in Howard Roark to beat the system, but rather needs to explore the system itself first, get a feel for it, and then dominate.</p>

<p>what's depressing is that all life from earth will be gone, and humanity, on the whole, doesn't recognize that. i believe we were destined to try and preserve life, even in the face of the sun's death. hell, even the universe's eventual death! </p>

<p>it makes one hope for a heaven or something, just so some kind of existence can continue.</p>