Yield management is not an exact science, class sizes can vary quite a bit from one year to the next.</p>
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I’m not talking about a private U, I’m talking about a state U. I am 100% sure that in my state the number of kids getting in because some 2-bit politician has pulled a string far exceeds the number of intellectually-challenged athletes. Maybe your state has no crooked politicians, but I’d be highly surprised. Mine has lots of them.</p>
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<p>In our state, the highest paid state worker is the men’s state basketball coach. When this was mentioned at a press conference, it was pointed out by the coach that he brings in 10 x his salary through ticket sales etc. While some athletes may be academically challenged, they do bring in money to support those academic superstars.</p>
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It has to be taken from somebody. It’s a zero sum game. There are only so many beds in the dorms. </p>
<p>Actually, it’s not a zero sum game (thankfully). No college really knows who is showing up until classes start. The term they use is “melt”… This year the 'melt" wasn’t as big as many schools thought…they thought with the bad economy more kids would be change their minds over the summer and be “no shows”. So, many colleges were left scrambling to place kids in dorms by either opening old dorms or puttimg in some bunk beds and making the rooms “triples”</p>
<p>Also, a school sends out way more acceptances then what they can handle based on a estimation as to how many students will ultimately choose that school. So, not a zero sum game at all.</p>
<p>Please try to keep the “dumb jock” angst in perspective: For basketball and football combined, you are probably talking about 44 recruits per year, and not all of them will be dumb. Weighed against student bodies numbering in the tens of thousands in some cases, it really isn’t worth get yourself worked up over, especially considering that jocks can contribute in a positive way, to every student’s college experience.</p>
<p>I believe it! And, I think that the head football coaches bring in a much larger amount since college football is usually watched by a larger TV audience…which brings in the big bucks.</p>
<p>BTW…I know that at my kids’ college, the school has an academic center (tutoring, etc) for the athletes so that they do pass their classes and graduate. Last Sunday, they interviewed the director of that center, and he is known for making sure the athletes get an education.</p>
<p>In my state, college basketball is a bigger deal than football and as I mentioned, the basketball coach is the highest paid state official. I believe that the women’s basketball coach is either second or third in the state.</p>
<p>Yeah honestly, my family income is around 100,000. Look, $250,000 is a lot per year and you won’t get a lot of support from almost 99% of other Americans no matter what your living conditions are. If honestly, there was no wasteful spending, and your family did everything it could to save for the inevitable college tuition and STILL you and your family cannot afford college, then I understand why you are upset. But at a salary that high, you really shouldn’t expect NEED based Financial Aid.</p>
<p>notrichenough said…>>>Getting a deduction for something is <em>never</em> better than not incurring the expense in the first place. At least until Congress raises the incremental tax rate to over 100%…<<<</p>
<p>No kidding. You completely missed the point of freeing up yearly cash flow as what “Bay” was explaing in post 196. And I was obviously expanding on that by pointing out more freed-up yearly cash flow via less taxes paid.</p>
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<p>OPs grandparents reside with them – They may be dependents of the OPs parents and this could effect all FA calcs.</p>
<p>I understand where the OP is coming from. It is a hard sudden realization to most young adults (not CC parents) that parents Current income is snugly attached to the student.</p>
<p>A co-worker (22 yrs old) was astounded that she needed her parents to apply for FA. This woman has been living 4 states away from her parents for 4 years.</p>
<p>But also to the OP – PLEASE expand your view of “great” colleges. The IVYs are not everything. Go sit in on a class - you may be surprised & decide the actual teaching methods aren’t all you expect of such institutions. I know others who have done just that & decide a LAC conversational debate class was preferred. Don’t discount the Honors College at state U either.</p>
<p>For some reason (and I may be totally wrong), I have the feeling that if OP is accepted into a top Ivy then her parents will do whatever it takes to get costs paid for…BUT…if she must go to a lower ranked school, she’s kind of on her own.</p>
<p>I hope I’m wrong…I hope that the OPs parents will help her financially no matter where she goes to school. And, I also hope that the OP (and her family) recognize that there are many awesome schools out there that aren’t Ivies…including Penn St, Rutgers, and many LACs. Penn St’s Honors College is very prestigious.</p>
<p>I have not read all of the remarks as I usually do when I comment. However, the true title of this thread should be, “If your parents are not pro selective private colleges, then you are screwed”. </p>
<p>What it comes down to, most of the time, is that if your parents are willing to pay and do what they can to pay the cost of college, you are very fortunate and will have your choice of colleges. If they are not, then, yes, you are screwed. </p>
<p>Only the very tiny minority of those academically talented, kids whose parents have so little money that they can get full rides from schools that can provide it are independent of their parents’ ability and willingness to pay. Except, of course, those kids who are truly independently wealthy enough to pay their own way anywhere. </p>
<p>If your parents are millionaires and they don’t want to pay for college, they do not have to do so. I see many kids in that situation especially in divorce cases. I have seen parents who don’t have that much money scrimp, borrow and work to pay for their kids’ college experiences. So, it comes down to your parents when it comes to the payment of the college costs.</p>
<p>Oh PUHLEEEASE. Don’t spout that Maslow crap at me (yes, I do know it, self-actualization is the highest blah blah blah). Do you care that people die and deal drugs? No, let me rephrase that, do you do anything about it? I’m guessing no. I’m not a prisoner in my own home. I just choose not to walk around my neighborhood. Instead, I get in my car, and go somewhere else to walk. How is this not an appropriate environment? Do you think an enivronment in a 1.5 million dollar home automatically makes it an appropriate environment? My mom isn’t the drug dealer or muderer, so how is it not appropriate? And, she’s not a freaking alcoholic like the 1.5 million dollar home mom. And if people are waking up to the value proposition, why don’t you stop whining about the money policies of top tier schools?</p>
I would care if it was happening in my yard, or right next door. I would care if my kids might witness it, or be tempted by it, or get caught in the cross-fire. </p>
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<p>I don’t live in a 1.5 million dollar house, but I do know people that do, and guess what? They are all pretty nice people, not an alcoholic among them. Nice stereotype.</p>
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<p>I made my kid turn down a top-15 private school for the state flagship, because they offered exactly zero in aid, and I refuse to let him start his working life with $100,000+ in debt, or take on that debt myself. And it stings. A lot. So I am ****ed off, because I am right in that sour spot where I can’t afford full pay without help, and the school doesn’t see it that way.</p>
<p>So if I feel like expressing my opinion about it, I will. If that makes me a whiner, too bad. If you don’t like my posts don’t read them. Or keep wasting your time complaining about me whining, I don’t really care.</p>
<p>Too bad it’s not a stereotype. I know a girl in my grade who lives in a 1.5 million dollar house and not only is her mother an alcoholic, she is also banned from the school now because she showed up to school events drunk. I may live in the ghetto, but I drive the 20 min to the most affluent school in the state. PLEAAASE. I guarantee you that your child can easily get drugs at his/her school, whether its private, boarding, or public. My private school has less than 300 high schoolers and there are 3 drug DEALERS who are very well known, and probably a good 25% of upperclassmen are regular pot smokers. And you know what, maybe I just have more willpower than your children or you’re underestimating them. Just because you stick marijuiana in a kid’s face doesn’t mean they’re going to smoke them. Something called ethics USUALLY comes into play. And money has no bearing on ethics.</p>
<p>Q: “So if your family is upper-middle class you’re basically screwed?”</p>
<p>A: No. If your family is upper-middle class, you’re basically better off than 99 percent of the people who have ever lived on this planet or are living now. But you may not get to go to the college you want to, because you’re still not wealthy enough to have <em>everything</em> you might ever want. I suggest cultivating an appreciation of what you can have, instead of worrying about what isn’t available to you right now.</p>
<p>“My private school has less than 300 high schoolers and there are 3 drug DEALERS who are very well known, and probably a good 25% of upperclassmen are regular pot smokers.”</p>
<p>My experience with an upper middle class public high school is that most parents, teachers and administrators don’t have a clue what is going on in this area.</p>
<p>I’m going to have to agree with DocT. There are far more drugs at the local private school than at my (old) public high school - especially prescription drugs and cocaine.</p>
<p>Being the parent of a son who had serious drug issues and attended both a private and public high school, drugs are a big issue in both - far more than most parents are aware of.</p>